Confirmed with Link: Matheson Receives Two Game Suspension

[F A N]

I think Matheson had intentions to give EP a rough ride (after being humiliated by the kid a little bit)...but intent to injure is taking it a bit too far.

That depends on the player's "awareness." If you look at the video, it almost seemed like he picked him up and threw him down to the ice. That's like arguing that there's no intention to injure when you stick out your knee to prevent the other player to get past you.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

That depends on the player's "awareness." If you look at the video, it almost seemed like he picked him up and threw him down to the ice. That's like arguing that there's no intention to injure when you stick out your knee to prevent the other player to get past you.

Agreed...but also take into account that EP is not the weight/strength class as most NHL players....Which made the play look even worse (I'm not sticking up for Matheson,because it was over the top),if it was Gagner,or Baertschi..there would be a completely different outlook.

 

[sting101]

see McSorley at 17:10
"If for Wayne Gretzky.... nothing was to happen everytime someone hit him clean. People would have been looking to hit him clean 3 or 4 times every shift all year long. How is he ever going to stay healthy? If i don't go by the other teams bench and say that's enough i'm not putting up with it." Marty McSorley

 

[F A N]

Agreed...but also take into account that EP is not the weight/strength class as most NHL players....Which made the play look even worse (I'm not sticking up for Matheson,because it was over the top),if it was Gagner,or Baertschi..there would be a completely different outlook.

Fair enough but you're talking about intentions. If that was Byfuglien, does he attempt the same move?

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Fair enough but you're talking about intentions. If that was Byfuglien, does he attempt the same move?

With most NHL playersI don't think that Matheson could have done the slam dunk after the hit..Matheson could have tried the stick between Byfugliens legs,but nothing would have happened...Matheson practically lifted EP up off the ice.

 

[F A N]

With most NHL playersI don't think that Matheson could have done the slam dunk after the hit..Matheson could have tried the stick between Byfugliens legs,but nothing would have happened...Matheson practically lifted EP up off the ice.

Right. My question is whether he would have attempted it. But hypothetically, if he slew footed someone like Byfuglien and did the same slam down motion and Byuglien got hurt, do you still make the no intention to injure argument?

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Right. My question is whether he would have attempted it. But hypothetically, if he slew footed someone like Byfuglien and did the same slam down motion and Byuglien got hurt, do you still make the no intention to injure argument?

The look of a 200lbs Dman slew footing a 250lbs Dman would look completely different than what we saw with EP...Basically,what I'm saying is that EP is a 'slight' player atm....Brace yourself,even after he feels better after this,he will most likely get clobbered again...Until he he is physically up to a standard weight/strength..this will always be an issue

 

[nuck luck]

Funny, Hamonic doesn't remember either. He could only count to potatoe after his skull took a beating.

Regardless of the results, I respect his heart in this matter. His man down and his first reaction is to jump in, doesn't take time to assess the odds.

Guaranteed his teammates respect him for that and the team bonds grow deeper. They know they got each other's backs.

Canuck's players know that they need to be cautious cause when s*** comes to shove...It's every man for himself.

Go Canucks...BATTLE!

 

[nuck luck]

well last night was a good reminder of how this fan base is capable of perpetrating riots.

my take

-i second guess green a little for chasing the win, but i also try to defer to his experience and situational awareness. i do not fully grasp how the code would allow that hit to pass because matheson does not have a history and/or it was a close game in the third. i do not grok the decision.

-afaik neither guddy nor roussel nor schaller were on the ice. so if green called them off on the bench i blame none of them at all even a tiny bit. roussel gets a bonus pass coming off a concussion himself.

-the guys on the ice are the ones who owe an explanation, assuming they saw it.

-the way this place went from supposed rational analytics hothouse that routinely ridicules signing anyone for physical/fighting ability to instantly demanding blood to ferociously attacking those who didn't deliver blood was quite an education for me. next time someone claims we don't need a gudbranson in the modern nhl they had best explain who they expected to draw the blood they demanded.

-folks using this as an opportunity to attack benning, gudbranson i guess can have their day but i see no point proven. nobody ever once said gudbranson would 100% prevent these events happening, but it definitely did not stop it from happening on this occasion.

100% agree on your comment on Green.

All players that play the physical game deserve equal blame, they should have attempted to follow through with each and every hit. IF Green instructed them to not retaliate...they shouldn't be singled out.

100% put more blame with the guys on the ice, embarrassing.

Here's where we disagree...some posters want blood and I can understand. However, most people want heart, not blood, and wanted to see some emotional response through hits, checks and overall physicality. These 'tougher' guys benning brought in were supposedly hired for that and other 'intangibles'. They were supposed to set the tone and utilize their size, be the example for our young guys to emulate. Tossing off the term 'Mentorship' happens more often here than when pornhub VIP is free for the week. I think people are pissed because all the BS we were given is revealling itself and the stench is worse than ever.

These same people don't want plugs like Gud and most don't want blood, they want players with skill and they expect those players to play with heart. Nobody wants goons but if you are gonna add physical players, don't BS us and acquire guys that only care about prolonging their careers, these older guys have three priorities and that's longevity($), family and their retirement. They wont risk this for a team that is close to the bottom of the league. They have no skin in the game and they don't have the same affiliation to this team like our own players who sweat and bleed to get a chance to play for the team that drafted them. A physical player WOULD have upped his physical game and could have done so within the rules. The physicality on display after Pete went down was just verification of what most were saying...size does not equal less injuries, mentorship is overblown with these acquisitions and they will not protect our young guys from being targeted.

You're last statement, I could be wrong, but I believe benning did say exactly that. The players he acquired like Gud and the most expensive 4th line in the NHL will help protect our younger players and insulate them from being targeted. Hoping someone can find a quote to put an end to this argument.

On the other hand, when you say, 'nobody said' to include other posters on HF, than I can guarantee that it has been preached multiple times as part of their argument that the above mentioned players were savvy acquisitions.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

With most NHL playersI don't think that Matheson could have done the slam dunk after the hit..Matheson could have tried the stick between Byfugliens legs,but nothing would have happened...Matheson practically lifted EP up off the ice.

Of course he can. He had his stick between EPs legs.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Don’t care if he gets 1 game or 1,000 games. We lost out on a Calder, and have a star who may never be the same (like Daniel was after the Keith elbow). So give him 50 games.... doesn’t matter at all

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Those who wanted blood immediately after the hit need to remember that the score was tied at 2 at the time.

Not a perfect scenario for revenge.

I blame the media too. So many softballs. Both major stations are too scared to ask real questions for fear of not getting future scoops. Why not say “yes you got the 2 points... do you think that was worth it when you are the worst odds in the NHL to make the playoffs? We’re those 2 points worth being a punching bag/ laughing stock of the NHL ?”

 

[Pogotheclown]

Don’t care if he gets 1 game or 1,000 games. We lost out on a Calder, and have a star who may never be the same (like Daniel was after the Keith elbow). So give him 50 games.... doesn’t matter at all

Totally agree. The deterent to do crap like that must be setup ahead. You skate alongside joe kocur or laraque and the chance of it happening moves into 2% range, add that last time it happened the guy who did it and the star of the other team were carried of on a strecher and you won´t see it again.

The way the team(?) set it up now, it´s open season on nr 40 if he´s stupid enought to take the ice again in them colors.

 

[nuck luck]

Help me out here...who is responsible for the acquiring the players and hiring the coaches??????????????

I haven't paid too much attention to the helmet Pete wears, but it seems like it's a couple sizes too big and the strap seemed fairly loose as both seemed to be dangling when he was trying to get up. I understand that it was dislodged from the throw down, but it seemed looser than normal.

If so, wouldn't this fall under the responsibility of the staff that works for the GM? 6 degrees of separation and all...

The notion that benning bares no responsibility is laughable. He might not be on the ice or behind the bench, but it's a trickle down effect. GM - coach - players

This kid is the future of the Canucks and his health & safety should be the only concern. These are meaningless games in an unimportant season, we must take precautionary measures and not rush him back, regardless of what he wants or the doctors advise. If we don't, this just proves that benning's only concern is himself and job security. If unfortunate events occur due to Pete's speedy return, the mgt and coach should be held 100% accountable and fired immediately.

Doesn't matter where any individual stands on this mgt group, there is absolutely NO excuse. He's already a target, do we want him playing at 80 - 90% of his abilities to read a situation?

 

[Zippgunn]

Don’t care if he gets 1 game or 1,000 games. We lost out on a Calder, and have a star who may never be the same (like Daniel was after the Keith elbow). So give him 50 games.... doesn’t matter at all

Finally a poster who speaks the truth. None of the fire breathers here will be satisfied with whatever punishment is meted out. They will whine about this hit forever. The belief that nobody can hit our slight Swedish superstar will continue to persist as it has for literally decades now and these people will scream for blood every time anybody gets near him while blaming whatever whipping boy they have at that moment for allowing it to happen. Bertuzzi/Moore taught this fanbase nothing.

 

[Chimpradamus]

1) I would also be pissed off beyond belief that NO ONE on the LaCucks (not as a derogatory defamation against you guys, as fans or the organization as a whole, just as an open insult against the oven mittens playing on and coaching the team representing the logo, especially those who brag they are "tough") who did NOTHING when Pettersson went down. Compare that to when Laine was hit on open ice:

McCabe's hit was actually fine and they still went total berserk mode. Canucks players: "Was it legal? Is he ok? Gosh, I'm going to buy him a get well card after the game." Why? Because Jets understand how they absolutely must stand up for anyone trying to lay out Laine. Apparently, Canucks players don't understand this simple concept. If they're ever going to be successful as a team, they must understand they need someone putting the puck in the net.

2) Matheson burning a few circuits in his brain when Pettersson schooled him all night long, well, it was a cheap shot. Stick between the legs, a hit, then grabbing his ass with one hand and pushing hard with the other in his chest. What did that brainiac think would happen? Exactly what happened, that was a clear intent to injure. You don't throw someone to the ice like that.

3) I really hope Pettersson only had a light concussion from that garbage. I want him back soon, because it is awesome seeing him dangle and score on a daily basis. I was one of those guys thinking he was too thin, but in this case, I don't think it matters how heavy or strong he is, that was a cheap shot, end of story.

 

[ddawg1950]

Don’t care if he gets 1 game or 1,000 games. We lost out on a Calder, and have a star who may never be the same (like Daniel was after the Keith elbow). So give him 50 games.... doesn’t matter at all

Your team lost out on the Calder? Really?

Is Yamamoto injured?

 

[cphabs]

Habs fan here. I hope they crucify that piece of shit! Seriously!

 

[Chimpradamus]

Habs fan here. I hope they crucify that piece of ****! Seriously!

If it's only a fine and not in the whereabouts of a 5 game suspension, I will also burn a few circuits. I would recommend my team to start laying out star players in the way Matheson did, like a legal loophole. Use your stick as leverage, get it in between the legs, hit them to make them lose their balance, lift them and then pummel them into the ice, preferably head first. Well worth a fine, especially in the playoffs.

If the Canucks don't have something special in storage for Matheson when they meet in january, I don't know what to say. Accidental elbow to the face, accidental knee on knee, an occassional slewfoot or just dropping the gloves and start pounding. At least something, or both.

If the league doesn't take care of it, the players have to. If it's a family matinee and Matheson walks out in one piece, I don't know what to tell you, but you're in a really bad spot to become a successful organization.

I don't watch the NHL because of scrubs like Matheson (I get it, he's an NHL prospect, but come on). I do however have alot of interests in watching how guys like Pettersson plays the game, because his start has just been... I miss words. He has blown my mind.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

EP out atleast 2 games:

Canucks' Elias Pettersson out for next two games, potentially longer - Sportsnet.ca

 

[SillyRabbit]

Pretty good article on the NHL’s failures here:

Pettersson plastered: Latest example of NHL's failure to protect its stars - TheHockeyNews

The first, of course, is don’t ever, ever make your opponent look bad because every single time an NHL player is embarrassed by his opponent, even if it’s because he’s clowned on a play by a young rookie with otherworldly talent, that player is bound by The Code™ to do whatever necessary in order to exact revenge.[\quote]

 

[cphabs]

If it's only a fine and not in the whereabouts of a 5 game suspension, I will also burn a few circuits. I would recommend my team to start laying out star players in the way Matheson did, like a legal loophole. Use your stick as leverage, get it in between the legs, hit them to make them lose their balance, lift them and then pummel them into the ice, preferably head first. Well worth a fine, especially in the playoffs.

If the Canucks don't have something special in storage for Matheson when they meet in january, I don't know what to say. Accidental elbow to the face, accidental knee on knee, an occassional slewfoot or just dropping the gloves and start pounding. At least something, or both.

If the league doesn't take care of it, the players have to. If it's a family matinee and Matheson walks out in one piece, I don't know what to tell you, but you're in a really bad spot to become a successful organization.

I don't watch the NHL because of scrubs like Matheson (I get it, he's an NHL prospect, but come on). I do however have alot of interests in watching how guys like Pettersson plays the game, because his start has just been... I miss words. He has blown my mind.

The NHL has a salary cap that artificially creates a league wide system that demands drafting, developing, and PLAYING young players to be successful. Especially struggling franchises. So, the Canucks finally have a franchise player and play him... only to have him body slammed, head first, by a complete piece of shit in his first couple games of the season? This league is f***ing crazy if they don’t levy a 20+ game suspension. This not bad luck, or the nature of the game. It was an opposing player using f***ing Judo to stop one of the most promising players the in the league on a struggling franchise. Sorry for the rant, but WTF. I was so excited about this kid! I doubt he will ever be the same.

 

[PunkRockLocke]

Your team lost out on the Calder? Really?

Is Yamamoto injured?

This must be a joke?
Pettersson is/was the clear Calder favourite through the preseason and first five regular season games, in addition to being the heavy favourite for the upcoming season all summer long. No one here is saying he was a lock to win it, but he is/was a very safe bet. This injury puts a pretty serious dent in those chances.

If you disagree with my take on Pettersson, that's fine, but using a mediocre player like Yamamoto to try and make your point is quite sad. Yamamoto isn't anywhere near Pettersson's level.

 

[Hansen]

Botchford had a good series of gifs in his article post game. The Panthers took 4 or 5 big runs at Pete and he danced all of them, until Matheson hunted him down and pinned him to the wall, and only then could he take him out.

The response should have came before Pettersson got tagged. You look at how Ottawa responded when Horvat took a run at Karlsson a couple years back, on the next shift he had three guys try to flatten him open ice.

We’re such a gutless team of pretenders. So much f***ing egotistical talk about our grit and our heart but at every chance to rise to the occasion we put our heads down and our tails between our legs.

Even look at that game against Toronto from 2016 when Miller rushed Martin to protect Stecher, and Hansen bounced back from a crushing hit to stand up for Daniel, and Burrows then stood up against Rielly for the hit on Hansen (in his standard chickenshit way, but still). That team was a husk of the playoff contender we used to have, but they still had some bits of heart left. Now we’re just pathetic losers.

 

[Grub]

Botchford had a good series of gifs in his article post game. The Panthers took 4 or 5 big runs at Pete and he danced all of them, until Matheson hunted him down and pinned him to the wall, and only then could he take him out.

The response should have came before Pettersson got tagged. You look at how Ottawa responded when Horvat took a run at Karlsson a couple years back, on the next shift he had three guys try to flatten him open ice.

We’re such a gutless team of pretenders. So much ****ing egotistical talk about our grit and our heart but at every chance to rise to the occasion we put our heads down and our tails between our legs.

Even look at that game against Toronto from 2016 when Miller rushed Martin to protect Stecher, and Hansen bounced back from a crushing hit to stand up for Daniel, and Burrows then stood up against Rielly for the hit on Hansen (in his standard chicken**** way, but still). That team was a husk of the playoff contender we used to have, but they still had some bits of heart left. Now we’re just pathetic losers.

Agreed I just don't like the make up and character of this team. We loved the 2011 team, I hate to say it because it's a cliche, but this team has no heart and fighting spirit.