The mask wearing doesn't really bother me, though it is now mandatory in Ontario. I just have some questions;
Why now? Wouldn't this of been something that would've had greater benefits say.... 4 months ago?
How long? Wearing a mask doesn't bother me like it does some people, but for how long? a month? until a vaccine is developed and sent out? Forever? I just don't want this to become a new norm.
Indefinitely. A few things need to happen before we can relax. And remember, masks are not the only measure. They go along with physical distancing and hand-washing.The mask wearing doesn't really bother me, though it is now mandatory in Ontario. I just have some questions;
Why now? Wouldn't this of been something that would've had greater benefits say.... 4 months ago?
How long? Wearing a mask doesn't bother me like it does some people, but for how long? a month? until a vaccine is developed and sent out? Forever? I just don't want this to become a new norm.
Psyfer said:The problem is the media has scared people so much that they are afraid to leave their homes and it's hard to dial back when you have nailed this into them every night for last 6 months.
Some things never change.This is a global health crisis the likes of which we haven't seen in our lifetimes. Public health officials are taking steps they haven't utilized in a century. The last time a pandemic comparable to this occurred, it claimed the lives of 50 million people. And a major reason that virus killed as many as it did is because then, just like today, there were a bunch of people refusing to take it seriously, politicians more concerned with their public image than public health, and people dismissing the virus as overblown hysteria.
The mask wearing doesn't really bother me, though it is now mandatory in Ontario. I just have some questions;
Why now? Wouldn't this of been something that would've had greater benefits say.... 4 months ago?
How long? Wearing a mask doesn't bother me like it does some people, but for how long? a month? until a vaccine is developed and sent out? Forever? I just don't want this to become a new norm.
Good luck with that. Already people are starting to get fed up. Stretch it too far and there will be way more defectors coming over to the other side. People want to live their lives, there is only so long the media can keep them paralyzed through fear.Indefinitely.
In some cases, that decision will be up to private business owners.Nobody is going to require masks after a vaccine has been widely distributed.
I know the thread is closed, but maybe respond to the replies from the last thread before you just start spewing the same talking points out in this thread?Good luck with that. Already people are starting to get fed up. Stretch it too far and there will be way more defectors coming over to the other side. People want to live their lives, there is only so long the media can keep them paralyzed through fear.
The most important part you are missing from the definition is "verifiable". Personal anecdotes are not verifiable as they are not corroborated by objective evidence. They do not hold up to scrutiny, and are therefore not empirical. One of the other definition speaks exactly to this as well, that you of course ignored: "capable of being verified or disproved by observation or experiment". Posting personal anecdotes and unsubstantiated claims and claiming that means you are using critical thinking is so far off base to barely warrant response.
Appealing to conventional wisdom is a logical fallacy. Just because something has been believed for a long time or by a lot of people does not mean it is true.
The efficacy of masks are substantiated, the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine is not. Being "biased" towards things that have been demonstrated and against things that have not is the position the media should be taking.
Wow, after all the discussion you still don't get it. You are obstinately closed-minded and I'm afraid trying to reason with you will be ineffective.
You equate mask wearing, which is based on clear evidence and which experts advocate, to organized religion, which is void of evidence and relies on blind faith?
Curious, do you believe the moon landing was a hoax or that 9/11 was an inside job or that aliens built the Egyptian pyramids?
So I'm assuming you disregard all traffic signals when driving, don't wear shoes or socks in stores ever, smoke on airplanes and bring firearms, frequently urinate and defecate in public...
you're a real free thinker man.
I didn't know you were such an authority in this thread. I will be sure to consult you the next time I want to make a post. I decided to agree to disagree with those posters and turn the page. There is only so much time one can spend arguing with people who have already made up their minds. Besides its a beautiful day to be out and about without a mask.I know the thread is closed, but maybe respond to the replies from the last thread before you just start spewing the same talking points out in this thread?
You're accusing posters of the same intellectual vices they detect in you, a very typical trait of closed-minded people. We say you are closed-minded and you turn around and accuse us of being closed-minded. Yet we have given very specific evidence for our convictions. You have never given one objective and substantive reason for your beliefs, refusing to acknowledge your logical fallacies when they are clearly pointed out to you. Who's already made up their minds? The posters you accuse or you?I didn't know you were such an authority in this thread. I will be sure to consult you the next time I want to make a post. I decided to agree to disagree with those posters and turn the page. There is only so much time one can spend arguing with people who have already made up their minds. Besides its a beautiful day to be out and about without a mask.
I didn't know you were such an authority in this thread. I will be sure to consult you the next time I want to make a post. I decided to agree to disagree with those posters and turn the page. There is only so much time one can spend arguing with people who have already made up their minds. Besides its a beautiful day to be out and about without a mask.
Sorry but I had to laugh, I have insulted no one and responded calmly despite pejoratives being directed my way for my beliefs.Outside without mask, in most circumstances, is fine because we are moving and physically distant. It’s indoors, when we are in close and continued contact, that science shows masks reduce viral spread.
I’m all for choice, but you keep making excuses for not wearing a mask (indoors when physical distancing isn’t possible) that are confrontational.
Why not just say it’s your personal choice, rather than insulting those who do wear masks with excuses that have no basis in science?
The science is clear. This is not arguable.
Who said I was an "authority"? You have continuously done this in these threads, you post a bunch of unsubstantiated nonsense and personal anecdotes, get called out for it, refuse to respond to any evidence presented to you, then pop back up later putting out the exact same talking points again without actually addressing any of the counter points.I didn't know you were such an authority in this thread. I will be sure to consult you the next time I want to make a post. I decided to agree to disagree with those posters and turn the page. There is only so much time one can spend arguing with people who have already made up their minds. Besides its a beautiful day to be out and about without a mask.
False sense of security, lack of hygiene and improper mask usage are still concerns yes but the benefits outweighs the risks. Educating people to understand these risks so they can do their best to avoid them is better than telling them not to wear masks. In fact, that is the conclusion public health experts have reached as they have learned more about the pandemic. Opinions in science change as new information becomes available. You're clinging to the recommendations from the beginning of the pandemic.Sorry but I had to laugh, I have insulted no one and responded calmly despite pejoratives being directed my way for my beliefs.
I have also used evidence that the WHO itself compiled early in the pandemic which was cited to discourage mask use. This included a false sense of security by mask-wearers, lack of hygiene and improper mask usage. None of these problems have disappeared. I have carefully observed my own interactions with others while wearing a mask and without and have arrived at the same conclusion. Masks are less effective than they are advertised as being.
Sorry but I had to laugh, I have insulted no one and responded calmly despite pejoratives being directed my way for my beliefs.
I have also used evidence that the WHO itself compiled early in the pandemic which was cited to discourage mask use. This included a false sense of security by mask-wearers, lack of hygiene and improper mask usage. None of these problems have disappeared. I have carefully observed my own interactions with others while wearing a mask and without and have arrived at the same conclusion. Masks are less effective than they are advertised as being.
Indefinitely. A few things need to happen before we can relax. And remember, masks are not the only measure. They go along with physical distancing and hand-washing.
It's looking more and more like SARS-CoV-2 will (has already?) become endemic, which means it'll be with us forever, like the other corona viruses. The other corona viruses only cause mild illness in most people so we don't worry about them. But SARS-CoV-2 causes much more severe illness in many people and we need to make sure we keep infections to a minimum or else many people will die.
Our best bet is an effective vaccine that confers immunity for at least a year. Then vaccinate at least 70% of the population and you'll get enough people immune and not being vectors of the virus, which leads to containment in most places with occasional outbreaks here and there. It's at this time that we can relax. How long will this take? No one knows. It won't be this year and likely won't be next.
Why does my opinion anger you this much? All I have stated is that it is my opinion the evidence isn't there to support mandating masks considering the risks they do pose as has been outlined by the WHO early in the pandemic. These concerns never went away and are being downplayed because masks have become a political statement. I cited HCQ as another drug that has been politicized. When stuff gets polarized into Camp A and Camp B, people from either camp get angrily irrational when confronted with dissent. I am sure if I went to the anti-mask protest at Queen's park and confronted them with facts regarding masks they would be just as angry as you are.
Edit: Also unlike a few others I have never claimed to be some sort of authority on the subject, I am just voicing what I believe in.
That all depends where you live.
Mask has been politicize in the United States only.
In the other countries, it's mostly only a bunch of conspiracy theorist who think they live in the US, the very vast majority follow guidelines.
“Less effective” still means has positive effect.Sorry but I had to laugh, I have insulted no one and responded calmly despite pejoratives being directed my way for my beliefs.
I have also used evidence that the WHO itself compiled early in the pandemic which was cited to discourage mask use. This included a false sense of security by mask-wearers, lack of hygiene and improper mask usage. None of these problems have disappeared. I have carefully observed my own interactions with others while wearing a mask and without and have arrived at the same conclusion. Masks are less effective than they are advertised as being.