Value of: Marner for a top pair RD

[kilowatt]

Doughty/Ellis.

Kings aren’t interested.

 

[Gurglesons]

kane has just finished the fifth year of his 8 year contract and so far is better than ppg. his doing fine.

Marner was ppg in his first season on his contract?

 

[Gurglesons]

point plays the more valuable position. he is the 1c of one of the best teams in the nhl. tampa moved their captain stamkos to the wing because of him and he is paid more than 4 million less than marner. toronto's salary structure is actually the main issue.

Neat. Point isn’t a top ten C in the league tho.

 

[Didalee Hed]

It’s got to be someone with as bad a contract as Marner, obviously.


Erik Karlsson.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

It’s got to be someone with as bad a contract as Marner, obviously.


Erik Karlsson.

Marner's contract isn't great, but it's no retirement contract, either.

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

Severson, Boqvist and Arizona’s 1st

 

[HockeyWooot]

Leon Draisaitl's cap hit is 8.5mill, so that's an additional 2.4mill. 2.4mill is the difference between paying an average 3-3.5mill player & a 5.5-5.9mill good/star level player. Nothing to scoff at.

That’s correct, but the reality is having an overpriced contract will be less attractive to a good number of teams that build their team with depth at all positions (ie playoff teams, contenders).

In a vacuum not considering contract I’m pretty sure every team in the league would be interested in Marner. However with that contract, the market for him will be decreased.

Also if the return is solely a top line D, not futures, again the number of teams that could realistically trade for him is a shorter list.

 

[Mickey Marner]

His contract isn't great, but when you consider:

a) His actually salary remaining is only about 7 million per season, which makes him attractive to owners

b) He'd be the best forward traded straight up for a defenseman since Brendan Shanahan a quarter century ago

c) The cost of RD on hf is about 2x more than in real life.

There would be plenty of suitors if Dubas were to shop him, but I doubt he does.

 

[Dick Whitman]

His contract isn't great, but when you consider:

a) His actually salary remaining is only about 7 million per season, which makes him attractive to owners

b) He'd be the best forward traded straight up for a defenseman since Brendan Shanahan a quarter century ago

c) The cost of RD on hf is about 2x more than in real life.

There would be plenty of suitors if Dubas were to shop him, but I doubt he does.

The challenge the leafs would have would be to find a suitor that has a) the cap space to take on Marner's hit and b) the pieces toronto would want in return, and is actually available. How many teams out there satisfy both requirements? Very few, if any, so I don't think there would be 'plenty of suitors' as you say

 

[Sniper99]

Marner thread again?


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get used to it.

 

[elitepete]

b) He'd be the best forward traded straight up for a defenseman since Brendan Shanahan a quarter century ago

Taylor Hall was traded for Adam Larsson.

c) The cost of RD on hf is about 2x more than in real life.

Taylor Hall was traded for Adam Larsson.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

When was the last time a player with a $7m+ cap hit was traded? (Weber/Subban aside) At $10+ million, he's not movable, it's just too big of a hit.

Clearly you never heard of inflation....Scott Gomez held a higher cap hit percentage then Marner.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

But have nobody close to taking on what Doughty brings to the Kings. I would never trade a #1 defenseman for a winger.

Doughty is closer to retirement then Marner is entering his prime....

 

[CREW99AW]

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Taylor Hall was traded for Adam Larsson.

By a terrible, desperate GM who according to press reports was also willing to move Hall for Cody Ceci.
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[Legion34]

Taylor Hall was traded for Adam Larsson.


Taylor Hall was traded for Adam Larsson.

In his last 2 years marner has 161pts in 141 games. He has had a high ankle sprain and a minor shoulder injury in 4 years

marner has 1.14ppg in his last 2 years

taylor hall was coming off 38 pts in 52 games and a 60 pt season and had multiple injuries almost every year.

taylor hall was no where near where marner is at the time of the trade.

 

[Samsquanch]

It’s got to be someone with as bad a contract as Marner, obviously.


Erik Karlsson.

Hate it as a Sens fan, but this is actually not the worst idea. Dubas wants to run and gun his way to a cup, and Karlsson is without a doubt still elite at doing that.

This does not help them keep the puck out of the net, at all. But its going to give them a 25 min/night RHD that can and will get the puck up the ice to those forward$ of theirs. And maybe help them avoid getting shutout by middling teams in the future.

SJ gets some much needed youth and firepower, and escapes from one of two bad long term contracts they have for a right handed offensive dman...wtf were they thinking, seriously.

Karlsson gets to move closer his wife's home city, and Marner gets to go to a cool city in California. Everyone can walk away fairly happy here in actuality.

 

[ole ole]

In his last 2 years marner has 161pts in 141 games. He has had a high ankle sprain and a minor shoulder injury in 4 years

marner has 1.14ppg in his last 2 years

taylor hall was coming off 38 pts in 52 games and a 60 pt season and had multiple injuries almost every year.

taylor hall was no where near where marner is at the time of the trade.

We all get that Marner is an awesome pt producer but where the problems lies is the playoffs.
Till he brings that same play come playoff time his value diminishes and than you have to add on that contract.
If your going to pay out big contracts you want the player to be able to step up come playoffs.

 

[Dion TheFluff]

Go to NJ

Subban + Severson + ???

Marner + Holl + Dermott

cap is pretty much the same here.

wow what a terrible offer. I wouldn't take Subban for free at this point.

 

[Dion TheFluff]

Marner's cap hit is a problem in and of itself. He's a really good young player, but is getting paid like a Superstar who has won multiple Cups (i.e. Kane). Most teams do not want to, or can't, deal with that.

Trade for Skinner and the #8. Salaries are close. Pick Sanderson or Drysdale with the #8.

Marner holds far more value than the 8th overall pick and when you factor in taking on a cap dump like Skinner, its not even close.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

Marner for Alexander Steen & Parayko

LOL. Blues say maybe if Leafs retain 50%

 

[Chayos]

Not sure why Marner is the player they move. It should be Nylander all day long

 

[viceroy]

Subban is horrible. He is too busy posting on IG and Tik Tok

He's got to get away from his WSD.

If teams are cash strapped, they may look to add salary to deals if they are worth while to the Leafs.

11 million bud. Even at 7 million it's crazy to wholly take on dry. Also remember flat cap AND a lot of teams have internal caps.

Marner as RW #1 and Caufield as RW #2 looks really nice.

Where do you stick Gallagher then?

Why not for Echiel? "...
is getting paid like a Superstar who has won multiple Cups (i.e. Kane)."

A. Eichel's a Centre.
B. Eichel makes almost a million less per year.
C. Eichel's contract is 2 years longer and thus covers more UFA years.

Scott Gomez held a higher cap hit percentage then Marner.

Jebus. So Gomez is a comparable, but Scott was a Centre of course. As a Habs fan just remembering that Gomez contract makes me shiver.

Paying your best players is never a problem.

When Marner challenges for an Art Ross there is going to be a lot of bad takes around here.

Of course paying your best players is a problem if they're redundant. Of course paying your best players is a problem if it destroys your pay structure. Of course paying your best players is a problem if you're handing out contracts before those aforementioned players have accomplished anything and thus sap them of drive and ambition.

 

[The don godfather]

Nylander for lauzon.

 

[b in vancouver]

The cap hit is tough to take. You look at teams like Philly, Carolina, Boston, etc. that are stacked with good young defence men - but Marner's contract just throws everything out of whack. I understand he isn't owed nearly as much money as his hit but it's tough to think of teams that can afford to trade away a first pairing d-man and afford that kind of hit.
Does he get you a guy of Werenski or Chabot's level? I really like Marner but he's going to be tough to move.

 

[A1LeafNation]

We all get that Marner is an awesome pt producer but where the problems lies is the playoffs.
Till he brings that same play come playoff time his value diminishes and than you have to add on that contract.
If your going to pay out big contracts you want the player to be able to step up come playoffs.

He's the Leafs top point producer in the playoffs.

What are you talking about lol?