Marner 18/19 expectations, 90+ points doable?

Liminality

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Marner looks like he's figured out just how good he can be in the 2nd half + playoffs last season. Hoping he can take that and apply that to next season. (Or maybe wait a year till Marner is under contract :sarcasm: )

Also, I'd love to see Barzal try to get 80 points under Babcock.
 

frizzer1

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Deployment is everything. When coaches spread out the scoring and ice time like Babs does it makes it incredibly hard for players to reach their potential.
Marner might have 90pts in him but his usage will have to improve to see it happen and I don't see Babs changing his while philosophy any time soon

Yep..
Matthews has that incredible shot and can score from anywhere so he will still score even if he plays with non skill guys like Hyman.
Marner, on the other hand, is a playmaker...he will set people up all night but if babcock saddles him with a Hyman or a Komarov he probably will not approach 90 points..
And I think that this coach will do just that...you know..balance and all...
Hoping I'm wrong.
 

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I feel like Marner isn't going to get the opportunity to score 90 point next year unless he's signed his extension.
 

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His shot will hav to improve a lot in order to add 30 points to his total.
 

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Not a chance while Babcock is still coach
I like Babcock a lot, but this is spot on to be honest. I think Marner has the talent to get 90 points with good puck luck, but even with good puck luck he simply will not get the opportunity to put up those kinds of points.
 

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Marner is a playmaker and to get to 85-90 points he is going to need 60+ assists and that mean his teammates will need to put 60+ pucks in the net for him to drive up his assists totals.

A playmaking winger's point totals are at the mercy of goals scoring finishers.

Going to be much easier for Matthews who will score 40-50 goals to add +30-35 assists to become a PPG player and since Auston is among the league leaders in ES goals he doesn't even need a highly successful PP to boost his stats

Whereas Marner is more a PP specialist (8-19-27 points) raking up points tied for 21st in the NHL 2017-18 by playing out of position on the point. So he will need to become far more efficient 5v5 generating points to reach PPG numbers.
 

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I might be in the minority here, but I think part of the reason he struggled in the first half of the season was that maybe he overtrained last off season, and you can find these videos on yt.

I think 90 is possible but next year he gets 75-80. If he's with Marleau and Kadri still I expect enough of a bump in Marleau that if we ship him after his 2020 salary is paid out, we might even get decent value, which we'll probably have to because he will then get no less than 8.5.
 

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LINE 1: Hymie = Matthews = Willie --------> AM34 / Hyman are superb defenders. AM34 / Willie => One of the best 5v5 offenses in the NHL.

LINE 2: Marleau = Kadri = Kappy -----------> Shut-down line with scoring potential. With this line, Kapanen can have a breakout year of 50+ points. Kadri 30 goals. Marleau 25. Kappy = Anywhere from 20-34 Goals IMO. Kappy was on a 16 goal pace playing with fricking Plekanecs, D-Moore, and Komarov. I think he easily gets 20. And we all know his defensive game. It's no joke.

LINE 3: Johnsson = Aaltonen = Marner ----------------> We all know that Marner is arguably the best scorer on the leafs. Aaltonen is an amazing 2-way C. Johnsson is the X-FACTOR here. He carried the Marlies to win the Calder Cup. This guy transformed after playing the NHL playoffs (in which he looked superb, cudda scored 4 goals eZ vs Bruins). I think Johnsson playing a full season with Marner gets 60+ points. Now, depending on Johnnson's and Aaltonen's offensive game (I think Johnsson can be the next Panarin), Marner COULD get 90+ points, with good PP time.
 
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Barzal would not have got 85 points under Babcock. Zero chance.

Like others have mentioned it will be very, very tough for Marner to hit 90+ under Babcock.

Only Datsyuk/Zetterberg in their primes have been able to hit 90 on a Babcock team and nobody has hit 80 since 2011. Also, 90 was only hit on arguably two of the greatest teams of all time: 2008 & 2009 Red Wings. Both went to the Stanley Cup Final.

Anaheim
2003 - 81 Kariya
2004 - 65 Federov
Detroit
2006 - 87 Datsyuk
2007 - 87 Datsyuk
2008 - 97 Datsyuk, 92 Zetterberg
2009 - 97 Datsyuk
2010 - 70 Datsyuk
2011 - 80 Zetterberg
2012 - 69 Zetterberg
2013 - 49 Datsyuk (Shortened season)
2014 - 49 Alfredsson
2015 - 66 Zetterberg
Toronto
2016 - 45 Kadri
2017 - 69 Matthews
2018 - 69 Marner
 

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If he's worth the billion dollar his family thinks he is then he'd better but Marner produces so many chances he doesn't bury, like Nylander there is another level there, hope he's locked up before he finds it.
 

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Death, taxes and Mess trying to diminish Marner.

Too bad Marner did not go to worlds. It was a shame that Canada had to rely on Barzal to put up no goals and almost half of his points against Korea. You notice we heard crickets about his performance over there from Mess. Guarantee if he would have had a good tournament we would have read about it in all the Marner threads. Glad Marner was a top 3 player for Canada a year younger than Barzal.
 

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How can you even doubt him at this point? As long as there is no weird slump to start the season, he's a near lock for 85-90 points. If he plays with Matthews, 100 is doable.
Some people were so fascinated at what Matt Barzal did this past season and of course you get the odd person saying why didn't Toronto select him instead of Marner? Those same people fail to realize there is no chance Barzal puts up 85 points with Mike Babcock as his head coach.
 

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Some people were so fascinated at what Matt Barzal did this past season and of course you get the odd person saying why didn't Toronto select him instead of Marner? Those same people fail to realize there is no chance Barzal puts up 85 points with Mike Babcock as his head coach.

I would ask those "people" to look at NYI's system under Weight last year and realize it epitomizes the idea of run and gun. The level of responsibility he would have defensively under other coaches would be way more than he's used to. I'm not calling him bad defensively, but there's no way he drops an 85 point season under Babcock.
 
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LeafsNation75

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I would ask those "people" to look at NYI's system under Weight last year and realize it epitomizes the idea of run and gun. The level of responsibility he would have defensively under other coaches would be way more than he's used to. I'm not calling him bad defensively, but there's no way he drops an 85 point season under Babcock.
I agree with everything you said.

In fact I would ask those people who wanted Barzal over Marner, why doesn't anyone give the Coyotes more crap for selecting Dylan Strome instead of Barzal? If hindsight is 20/20 and let's be honest no one saw Barzal scoring 85 points, Strome at 3rd overall and Barzal at 16th overall is worse than Toronto selecting Marner 4th overall.
 
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If Tavares signs with us look out. Marner might hit 90. We would force teams out of their comfort level lots and have great depth.

Marner could benefit lots from Tavares;)))

Marner played less power play minutes and more penalty kill minutes than Barzal, had a + 35 in give aways/ takeaways ratio to Barzals -23. Scored as many goals as Barzal, had a face off win % 10 points higher than Barzal etc etc.

Barzal is not the better play by a long shot and Marner is getting the better development path so far. Thanks Babs.
 
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Stephen

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I'm interested to see if he has a slow first half of the season. He seems to have a bit of a reputation as a slow starter but comes on in the second half. This is important to note for contract negotiations, can't just pay him like he's second half Marner.
 

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