Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread

[Kiwi]

are we pretending it's a fact that he was overmatched? I would be more inclined to take your opinion as fact if you actually knew how many games he played in the bubble

Advanced stats and the fact he was benched for a guy who hadn't played for God knows how long suggest that was the case

What the hell is wrong with you guys?, Suggesting the kid has yet to prove he deserves a spot in the top 9 isn't controversial ffs

Except he didn't look overmatched. He was alright for a teen playing against a tough physical team. He had some good moments and some not so good, but he wasn't overmatched.

He was, I'm not holding it against him because it's a miracle a kid in his D+1 picked in the late second was even close to making the team in some extremely important games but that doesn't mean he looked like he was ready

He needs to prove that

 

[Morgs]

Since basically all our top-prospects aren't playing, I've decided I'm gonna take a break on updating weekly here as it's basically just like 9 guys of 33 that are playing right now and we all definitely put enough updates in here without it.

I'm interested in talking about what people think our prospect pool looks like prior to the WJC. Whether you want to include 10, 20, or everyone. I ranked 33 guys with them having to be U24 with less than 50GP. Biggest names left out are Korshkov, Lehtonen, Anderson, and Engvall who all look like 100GP NHL players (or better).

Rank	Player	Position	Age
1	Timothy Liljegren	RHD	21.6
2	Rasmus Sandin	LHD	20.8
3	Nick Robertson	LW	19.3
4	Rodion Amirov	W	19.2
5	Mikhail Abramov	C/W	19.7
6	Filip Hallander	LW	20.5
7	Mikko Kokkonen	LHD	19.9
8	Topi Niemela	RHD	18.7
9	Roni Hirvonen	C/W	18.9
10	Semyon Der-Arguchintsev	C	20.3
11	Pontus Holmberg	W	21.8
12	Nick Abruzzese	W	21.5
13	Axel Rindell	RHD	20.6
14	Mac Hollowell	RHD	22.2
15	Dmitri Ovchinnikov	C/W	18.3
16	Mike Koster	LHD	19.7
17	Veeti Miettinen	W	19.2
18	Semyon Kizimov	W	20.9
19	William Villeneuve	RHD	18.7
20	Filip Kral	LHD	21.2
21	Kalle Loponen	RHD	19.8
22	Wyatt Schingoethe	C	18.4
23	Joe Miller	C/W	18.3
24	Kristans Rubins	LHD	23.0
25	Joseph Duszak	RHD	23.4
26	Eemeli Rasanen	RHD	21.8
27	Ryan Tverberg	C	18.9
28	Ryan O'Connell	LHD	21.6
29	Vladislav Kara	W	22.7
30	John Fusco	RHD	19.5
31	Vladimir Bobylyov	W	23.7
32	Nikolai Chebykin	W	23.4
33	J.D. Greenway	LHD	22.6

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Currently I have tier gaps after 4, 10, 14, 21, and 30.

 

[stickty111]

Advanced stats and the fact he was benched for a guy who hadn't played for God knows how long suggest that was the case

What the hell is wrong with you guys?, Suggesting the kid has yet to prove he deserves a spot in the top 9 isn't controversial ffs




He was, I'm not holding it against him because it's a miracle a kid in his D+1 picked in the late second was even close to making the team in some extremely important games but that doesn't mean he looked like he was ready

He needs to prove that

Not sure why being scratched for a player coming off injury should be held against him.
We aren't saying he's ready, what we are saying is the team seems to think he has a good chance of making it.

 

[Duke16]

Since basically all our top-prospects aren't playing, I've decided I'm gonna take a break on updating weekly here as it's basically just like 9 guys of 33 that are playing right now and we all definitely put enough updates in here without it.

I'm interested in talking about what people think our prospect pool looks like prior to the WJC. Whether you want to include 10, 20, or everyone. I ranked 33 guys with them having to be U24 with less than 50GP. Biggest names left out are Korshkov, Lehtonen, Anderson, and Engvall who all look like 100GP NHL players (or better).

Rank	Player	Position	Age
1	Timothy Liljegren	RHD	21.6
2	Rasmus Sandin	LHD	20.8
3	Nick Robertson	LW	19.3
4	Rodion Amirov	W	19.2
5	Mikhail Abramov	C/W	19.7
6	Filip Hallander	LW	20.5
7	Mikko Kokkonen	LHD	19.9
8	Topi Niemela	RHD	18.7
9	Roni Hirvonen	C/W	18.9
10	Semyon Der-Arguchintsev	C	20.3
11	Pontus Holmberg	W	21.8
12	Nick Abruzzese	W	21.5
13	Axel Rindell	RHD	20.6
14	Mac Hollowell	RHD	22.2
15	Dmitri Ovchinnikov	C/W	18.3
16	Mike Koster	LHD	19.7
17	Veeti Miettinen	W	19.2
18	Semyon Kizimov	W	20.9
19	William Villeneuve	RHD	18.7
20	Filip Kral	LHD	21.2
21	Kalle Loponen	RHD	19.8
22	Wyatt Schingoethe	C	18.4
23	Joe Miller	C/W	18.3
24	Kristans Rubins	LHD	23.0
25	Joseph Duszak	RHD	23.4
26	Eemeli Rasanen	RHD	21.8
27	Ryan Tverberg	C	18.9
28	Ryan O'Connell	LHD	21.6
29	Vladislav Kara	W	22.7
30	John Fusco	RHD	19.5
31	Vladimir Bobylyov	W	23.7
32	Nikolai Chebykin	W	23.4
33	J.D. Greenway	LHD	22.6

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Currently I have tier gaps after 4, 10, 14, 21, and 30.

With Korshkov not included cause of age, I'd honestly probably move all of the remaining Hunter picks right to the bottom. None of them will factor in. If any of them heated up at some point to be worth something, they'd probably be traded instead of signed (like Dzierkals was at the deadline)

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Since basically all our top-prospects aren't playing, I've decided I'm gonna take a break on updating weekly here as it's basically just like 9 guys of 33 that are playing right now and we all definitely put enough updates in here without it.

I'm interested in talking about what people think our prospect pool looks like prior to the WJC. Whether you want to include 10, 20, or everyone. I ranked 33 guys with them having to be U24 with less than 50GP. Biggest names left out are Korshkov, Lehtonen, Anderson, and Engvall who all look like 100GP NHL players (or better).

Rank	Player	Position	Age
1	Timothy Liljegren	RHD	21.6
2	Rasmus Sandin	LHD	20.8
3	Nick Robertson	LW	19.3
4	Rodion Amirov	W	19.2
5	Mikhail Abramov	C/W	19.7
6	Filip Hallander	LW	20.5
7	Mikko Kokkonen	LHD	19.9
8	Topi Niemela	RHD	18.7
9	Roni Hirvonen	C/W	18.9
10	Semyon Der-Arguchintsev	C	20.3
11	Pontus Holmberg	W	21.8
12	Nick Abruzzese	W	21.5
13	Axel Rindell	RHD	20.6
14	Mac Hollowell	RHD	22.2
15	Dmitri Ovchinnikov	C/W	18.3
16	Mike Koster	LHD	19.7
17	Veeti Miettinen	W	19.2
18	Semyon Kizimov	W	20.9
19	William Villeneuve	RHD	18.7
20	Filip Kral	LHD	21.2
21	Kalle Loponen	RHD	19.8
22	Wyatt Schingoethe	C	18.4
23	Joe Miller	C/W	18.3
24	Kristans Rubins	LHD	23.0
25	Joseph Duszak	RHD	23.4
26	Eemeli Rasanen	RHD	21.8
27	Ryan Tverberg	C	18.9
28	Ryan O'Connell	LHD	21.6
29	Vladislav Kara	W	22.7
30	John Fusco	RHD	19.5
31	Vladimir Bobylyov	W	23.7
32	Nikolai Chebykin	W	23.4
33	J.D. Greenway	LHD	22.6

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Currently I have tier gaps after 4, 10, 14, 21, and 30.

damn that's a deep pool. There should be a lot of NHL players there, and some high end ones. the Leafs also have a great collection of pseudo prospects like Hoefenmayer, Brazeau, and McCourt as well as those guys you mentioned who could be argued as prospects.

Your tier list looks pretty good. my only real disagreement would be moving Abruzzese up a tier, but I get why you might be down on him due to his age. I also would swap Rasanen and Tverberg, but that's pretty minor

 

[Morgs]

With Korshkov not included cause of age, I'd honestly probably move all of the remaining Hunter picks right to the bottom. None of them will factor in. If any of them heated up at some point to be worth something, they'd probably be traded instead of signed (like Dzierkals was at the deadline)

True, peace #1 ranked Liljegren

haha, not including Tim only Tverberg and Fusco are behind Hunter picks and it's solely because I don't really find any of Rasanen, Tverberg, O'Connell, Kara, or Fusco overly interesting today. Tverberg and especially Fusco need to have huge seasons next year for me to even consider them close to Schingoethe/Miller.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Since basically all our top-prospects aren't playing, I've decided I'm gonna take a break on updating weekly here as it's basically just like 9 guys of 33 that are playing right now and we all definitely put enough updates in here without it.

I'm interested in talking about what people think our prospect pool looks like prior to the WJC. Whether you want to include 10, 20, or everyone. I ranked 33 guys with them having to be U24 with less than 50GP. Biggest names left out are Korshkov, Lehtonen, Anderson, and Engvall who all look like 100GP NHL players (or better).

Rank	Player	Position	Age
1	Timothy Liljegren	RHD	21.6
2	Rasmus Sandin	LHD	20.8
3	Nick Robertson	LW	19.3
4	Rodion Amirov	W	19.2
5	Mikhail Abramov	C/W	19.7
6	Filip Hallander	LW	20.5
7	Mikko Kokkonen	LHD	19.9
8	Topi Niemela	RHD	18.7
9	Roni Hirvonen	C/W	18.9
10	Semyon Der-Arguchintsev	C	20.3
11	Pontus Holmberg	W	21.8
12	Nick Abruzzese	W	21.5
13	Axel Rindell	RHD	20.6
14	Mac Hollowell	RHD	22.2
15	Dmitri Ovchinnikov	C/W	18.3
16	Mike Koster	LHD	19.7
17	Veeti Miettinen	W	19.2
18	Semyon Kizimov	W	20.9
19	William Villeneuve	RHD	18.7
20	Filip Kral	LHD	21.2
21	Kalle Loponen	RHD	19.8
22	Wyatt Schingoethe	C	18.4
23	Joe Miller	C/W	18.3
24	Kristans Rubins	LHD	23.0
25	Joseph Duszak	RHD	23.4
26	Eemeli Rasanen	RHD	21.8
27	Ryan Tverberg	C	18.9
28	Ryan O'Connell	LHD	21.6
29	Vladislav Kara	W	22.7
30	John Fusco	RHD	19.5
31	Vladimir Bobylyov	W	23.7
32	Nikolai Chebykin	W	23.4
33	J.D. Greenway	LHD	22.6

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Currently I have tier gaps after 4, 10, 14, 21, and 30.

LOL why is JD Greenway the worse prospect in our pool?

 

[Fogelhund]

Since basically all our top-prospects aren't playing, I've decided I'm gonna take a break on updating weekly here as it's basically just like 9 guys of 33 that are playing right now and we all definitely put enough updates in here without it.

I'm interested in talking about what people think our prospect pool looks like prior to the WJC. Whether you want to include 10, 20, or everyone. I ranked 33 guys with them having to be U24 with less than 50GP. Biggest names left out are Korshkov, Lehtonen, Anderson, and Engvall who all look like 100GP NHL players (or better).

Rank	Player	Position	Age
1	Timothy Liljegren	RHD	21.6
2	Rasmus Sandin	LHD	20.8
3	Nick Robertson	LW	19.3
4	Rodion Amirov	W	19.2
5	Mikhail Abramov	C/W	19.7
6	Filip Hallander	LW	20.5
7	Mikko Kokkonen	LHD	19.9
8	Topi Niemela	RHD	18.7
9	Roni Hirvonen	C/W	18.9
10	Semyon Der-Arguchintsev	C	20.3
11	Pontus Holmberg	W	21.8
12	Nick Abruzzese	W	21.5
13	Axel Rindell	RHD	20.6
14	Mac Hollowell	RHD	22.2
15	Dmitri Ovchinnikov	C/W	18.3
16	Mike Koster	LHD	19.7
17	Veeti Miettinen	W	19.2
18	Semyon Kizimov	W	20.9
19	William Villeneuve	RHD	18.7
20	Filip Kral	LHD	21.2
21	Kalle Loponen	RHD	19.8
22	Wyatt Schingoethe	C	18.4
23	Joe Miller	C/W	18.3
24	Kristans Rubins	LHD	23.0
25	Joseph Duszak	RHD	23.4
26	Eemeli Rasanen	RHD	21.8
27	Ryan Tverberg	C	18.9
28	Ryan O'Connell	LHD	21.6
29	Vladislav Kara	W	22.7
30	John Fusco	RHD	19.5
31	Vladimir Bobylyov	W	23.7
32	Nikolai Chebykin	W	23.4
33	J.D. Greenway	LHD	22.6

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Currently I have tier gaps after 4, 10, 14, 21, and 30.

Everyone from 27 down, should be personally insulted, for being behind Rasanen.

 

[rdogg]

LOL why is JD Greenway the worse prospect in our pool?

Do you really think he's going to climb the prospect ranks and become an NHLer? AHLer? He's never shown any glimpse of being good, so I'd say he's a huge bust at this point.

 

[Morgs]

damn that's a deep pool. There should be a lot of NHL players there, and some high end ones. the Leafs also have a great collection of pseudo prospects like Hoefenmayer, Brazeau, and McCourt as well as those guys you mentioned who could be argued as prospects.

Your tier list looks pretty good. my only real disagreement would be moving Abruzzese up a tier, but I get why you might be down on him due to his age. I also would swap Rasanen and Tverberg, but that's pretty minor

Yeah we have four guys that are fully ready for NHL roles on cheap contracts. I'd love to add especially Hoefenmeyer and Brazeau to this pool, but they're just not technically Leafs prospects. McCourt looking somewhat interesting too.

I kinda wanna explain my thinking with Abruzzese:

a) His Divison (ECAC) is ranked 5th based on NCAA NHLe
- Big-Ten, Hockey East, NCHC, and WCHA all are considered better divisions. All of our guys playing in the NCAA this season are in better divisions.

b) His age. Of my top-15 prospects (he's ranked 12th), only three guys are older than him. Liljegren (1st), Holmberg (11th), and Hollowell (15th). He's closer to Hollowell's age than he is to Hallander, and Hallander was drafted the year before him.

c) His injury. A season ending hip surgery is not exactly something I like to see from a 21 year old. Not that his division is even playing, but we have no idea what he's gonna be like next year.

d) I kept trying to rank him higher than Holmberg, but he's only .3 years older, actually playing, and putting up very good (not great) production in the 2nd best league outside the NHL. Not to mention his fantastic rel.CF%/FF% that lets me track him even more.

e) I kept flipping between having my 2nd tier going as high as 14, but I finally settled on going up to SDA. I think 11-14 are borderline that tier but I just don't see them at the same level as I do 5-10.

Honestly, you could convince me to switch Tverberg and Rasanen. I think I'm just salty Tverberg isn't playing, "much" older than Schingoethe and Miller, and in a worse league than both if he does play.

 

[Morgs]

LOL why is JD Greenway the worse prospect in our pool?

Move him to 31 then. Anyone past 30 is "you'll no longer be in the organization soon, but technically still part of it and fit the criteria".

 

[X66]

Are we pretending he didn't look overmatched in that same play in round?

3 games where he looks overmatched and he's starting in the top 9?

I'd like to see him prove he's able to do that before I start penciling him into lineups

Are you forgetting he was the only bottom 6 player to score a goal that series?

He also rang one off the post early into game 1.

There were times he looked like a kid for sure but he definitely held his own, and scored...

 

[4thline]

True, peace #1 ranked Liljegren

haha, not including Tim only Tverberg and Fusco are behind Hunter picks and it's solely because I don't really find any of Rasanen, Tverberg, O'Connell, Kara, or Fusco overly interesting today. Tverberg and especially Fusco need to have huge seasons next year for me to even consider them close to Schingoethe/Miller.

My gut tells me that Schingoethe is going to be next years Koster.

 

[Morgs]

My gut tells me that Schingoethe is going to be next years Koster.

I'm holding out hope both he and Miller are next years Koster, but I'd pick Schingoethe too.

He improved his production in the USHL in his D0 year (7.8 NHLe) which makes his production similar to guys like Lysell, Bolduc, and Rosen this season who are currently ranked 10th, 24th and 28th by Wheeler for this upcoming draft. He's a late birthday, he's going to a good school in a good division. I have hopes for him. I just wish his team could play some games. 3GP in your D+1 season is not ideal.

 

[LeafChief]

 

[4thline]

I'm holding out hope both he and Miller are next years Koster, but I'd pick Schingoethe too.

He improved his production in the USHL in his D0 year (7.8 NHLe) which makes his production similar to guys like Lysell, Bolduc, and Rosen this season who are currently ranked 10th, 24th and 28th by Wheeler for this upcoming draft. He's a late birthday, he's going to a good school in a good division. I have hopes for him. I just wish his team could play some games. 3GP in your D+1 season is not ideal.

I have to admit that my analysis is more than a little superficial lol. Based on nothing but the defensive acumen and spending U19 on an extra USHL year I've decided that he's going to be something between Dom Toninato and Rem Pitlick.

 

[Morgs]

I have to admit that my analysis is more than a little superficial lol. Based on nothing but the defensive acumen and spending U19 on an extra USHL year I've decided that he's going to be something between Dom Toninato and Rem Pitlick.

Haha works for me. He's definitely an interesting guy to follow. Especially based on the fact Dubas picked him.

 

[Kiwi]

Not sure why being scratched for a player coming off injury should be held against him.
We aren't saying he's ready, what we are saying is the team seems to think he has a good chance of making it.

I'm saying I'm not sure he's going to make the team and if he doesn't I'd like him to go to the world juniors, if he makes the Leafs sweet as but if he doesn't the world's are great for development imo

Are you forgetting he was the only bottom 6 player to score a goal that series?

He also rang one off the post early into game 1.

There were times he looked like a kid for sure but he definitely held his own, and scored...

The kid has a great shot and should score goals but that doesn't mean he was ready or will be this season, hopefully he will be after his time spent in Toronto during the off-season but we're going to need to see him playing again to know either way

 

[weems]

anyone else seeing some Grabovski in his game?