Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects- Early Off Season time

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  1. TML1967 Registered User

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    I could see him having value on a team who is lacking in prospect depth, but wants to find a winger for an offensive minded C.
    i.e give him 3rd or 4th line minutes, and put him on your top pp to help give an AHL prospect a better feel of what a NHL PP is like with a really competent QB.
     
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    He could still carve out a middle-6 NHL role no problem if a team gives him the chance and an actual opportunity. He's got the talent & IQ, he improved his defense (still well below average), and although not a play driver, he's a strong complimentary player in the Tyler Johnson-type of mold and a team could do worse for a 3rd line player.

    The Leafs and him clearly just have issues so it won't happen here, but the only reason I don't see him succeeding is if he gets actually outed as the Eric Guest guy, or if no team is willing to give him the opportunity.

    For me he's gonna turn into a Brandon Pirri/Nic Petan type where he's more than good enough for the NHL, but even bad teams refuse to give them a chance.
     
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    I think Bracco has an NHL level skill set offensively. His playmaking, passing, vision and PP efficiency are all at an NHL top-9 level. He was never given a true opportunity to see if he could translate. I hope he does somewhere at some point. His effort level, defensive ability, defensive awareness and his physical play are all rather poor. He's a one way player. Many are. There was a time where I thought he was good enough on offense that it outweighed his negative attributes. May not be true. Dubas is a GM that usually overlooks some of those negative defensive and physical deficits, but he has not with Bracco.
     
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    Some missed Leafs prospect news from a month ago. Semyon Kizimov was acquired by Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod from his hometown team Lada Togliatti for money. Keep in mind that Togliatti, due to monetary constraints, was not able to sustain a KHL franchise and therefore had to drop down to a VHL franchise like 5 years ago. Nizhny Novogorod is a mid-tier KHL team (made the playoffs, but ousted quickly by a better team) that is not too far from Togliatti.

    Kizimov has a shot at a 4th line role with the team next year, and may be able to fight his way into the top 6/9 with strong enough play. The team is not particularly strong on the wing.
     
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    This quote was taken from TheAthletic, and came from a former Leafs employee Jack Han

    Bemstrom is one who got away

    Emil Bemstrom was drafted in the fourth round, 117th overall, by Columbus in 2017. Leading up to that draft, then-Leafs assistant GM Kyle Dubas pushed hard for him but was overruled by fellow assistant GM Mark Hunter — who ran the Leafs draft — and his staff.

    Instead, the Leafs (who didn’t have a third-rounder that year) selected defenseman Eemeli Rasanen (who we’ll likely never see in North America) in the second round, 59th overall, and goaltender Ian Scott (who didn’t play a game last season due to injury) seven spots ahead of Bemstrom in Round 4.

    This season, his first with the Blue Jackets, Bemstrom had 10 goals and 20 points in 56 games. He is the highest-scoring player taken outside of the 2017 first round.
     
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    Jack Han has been revealing a lot of the inner workings of the Leafs staff and it is definitely interesting stuff. He was also the one that mentioned that he and the Marlies staff wanted to try Dermott with Rielly against the Bruins to try something different.

    I'm just glad everybody is on the same page now in the organization.
     
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    I always looked at it back then like Hunter was a special mind when it came to finding talent, but I now know that Dubas was the much smarter choice to take over. The way he looks at the game should keep the team competitive for a long time.
     
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    Well, that could have solved some of the 3C issues.
    Corsi Rel is +, but not good at faceoffs.
    Would have been a nice, but overall I still like the drafting we have done over the last few years.
     
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    Complete speculation, but Abruzzese's chance of leaving Harvard may have increased now that Drury has officially left the team to go to Europe and Morgan Barron, who was originally going to return to Cornell, has signed an ELC instead. It could be the ECAC is not going to be starting on time so certain prospects in that conference may decide to jump ship.

    Abruzzese is unlikely to come to the AHL, but he may decide to head to Europe too. Harvard is Harvard, but he's still able to be a student there and he is likely not receiving much in way of free money from them... So it would probably make more sense for him to play for a pro European team to earn some money and then just study part time.
     
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    I'd like to see him in Switzerland or Finland
     
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    Bemstrom is not a center... At least not in the NHL.

    Effectively we lost out on another smaller middle 6 forward. We are not exactly lacking for those types of prospects, and there is nothing saying that he would have turned out any better than a guy like Malgin (who had 22 points in ~50 games as a 21 year old himself). He's a nice prospect for the 4th round, but hardly anything special at this point. He would not have even made our team; Columbus just lacked any kind of quality forward talent this past year. Bracco could have probably cracked their squad.
     
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    Great, but a middle 6 forward prospect is more valuable than what the Leafs ended up with. Worst case scenario is the Leafs could have either traded him for some value, or traded someone else and counted on him to step in and take their place in the lineup. That's why drafting the best player available is a much smarter strategy than going for position
     
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    Switzerland or Sweden for me. Liiga is weaker competition, so unless he is getting a much better role, then NLA or Sweden should be the choice.
     
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    He isnt a Center yet in the NHL. Just his first year, thats what he was drafted as.

    He beat out a few guys on Columbus for that spot, and plays (from reports) a pretty solid defensive style all while being a well above average skater.
    If we did have him in the pipeline, maybe we would have been able to move on from an AJ type and spent the additional $2.5ish on defense last summer.

    Re-writting history is hard, but the extra $ theoretically could go a long way.
     
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    Bemstrom was a 4th round prospect taken in the 4th round. Scott and Rasanen were ranked higher and were more favourable prospects at the time. BPA was not the problem.

    It was a lot less erroneous than taking Vlad Bobylev and Jack Walker, two completely unranked prospects over Jesper Bratt, who was widely seen as a 3rd or 4th round prospect at worst and made an NHL top 6 within two years himself.

    Bemstrom may have been drafted as a center, but he's only played wing in the NHL, and was a winger in the SHL too. The chances of him becoming a center are probably worse than Malgin and Petan at this point (who have actually played legit minutes as centers in North America).

    It's not even like Scott or Rasanen are busts yet... Scott won CHL goalie of the year in 2018-2019 before suffering an injury. Scott is still a very good prospect, and a type of prospect we should be looking to add if we need goalies. Rasanen, who knows, but he's hardly played enough for there to really be any judgement. He's looked decent when he has played.
     
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    Lehtonen loaned. Id imagine the official announcement regarding Korshkov won’t be too far away, unless it wasn’t true.

    Kral, SDA, Scott other prospects I could see loaned overseas
     
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    imagine, bemstrom torches our 3rd/4th lines in the qualifier rounds, we get knocked out, and people proceed to shit all over Dubas for losing.
     
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    Mark Hunter's ego has caused us to lose 2 solid prospects in Bemstrom and Debrincat. At least we don't have to worry about that now.
     
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    I still do not get the obsession with Bemstrom specifically. Batherson was taken too. Both were 4th round type prospects. There are a bunch of guys just like them coming up in the 2020 NHL draft, and many of them are not going to amount to anything. However, more than likely a few will turn into something.

    Bratt, DeBrincat, Cirelli, etc. were a lot worse.
     
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    It's hindsight sure, but its not a complete shot in the dark like saying the Leafs should have picked those other guys.

    It's on record that the Leafs literally would have picked Bemstrom if they listened to Dubas. That makes it frustrating.
     
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    Bracco and Torts?
     

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