Discussion in 'Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk' started by Flamesjustwin, Feb 9, 2019.
How about frolik+ 2019 1st + dube +2020 conditional 2nd that's a 1st of he resigns?
No deal then. Not giving up a 21 year old all star for Stone. Doesn’t fit within the plans. Don’t care if you feel it’s fair, we’ll keep our Tkachuk.
Too many futures to give up, would prefer to let our guys develop and draft someone in the first round this year.
Sens fans saying Dube and Kylington aren't good pieces, Kylington is playing on the second placed team in the league, Dube is our top F prospect IMHO, I would definitely be in a bidding war for a player of Stones caliber, but the thing is, thinking you'd get Chucky? A 21 year old playing a great two way game and is in the top 5 in penalties drawn since he's been in the league? Like come on, quit dreaming, I would of given up Valimaki for EK,which have been the best asset you would have received, Kylington has #2-4 potential and learning from our leadership is giving him solid confidence, i think you guys are way over your heads thinking you would get 2 top 5 prospects (Kylington and Dube) and a 1st from any team in the league, just laughable, you may get 1 top 5 prospect and a 1st, with maybe a secondary pick on resigning (2nd if he does, 4th if he doesn't) maybe a middling prospect (8-12 ranked)
I would also add in this, if I was GMBT, I would think about a big ugly offer for both teams,
Neal + Valimaki/Andersson (Ott's choice) + 2nd 21
(^These 3 pieces ^ are all included or none ^)
1st 20(Stone resigning or it's a 2nd)
Frolik(4.3M cap/3M sal 1 year)
This is MY offer.
Calgary guts the future for hopefully a key get for the future (Stone), we could lose Gios replacement in Valimaki, or our top RHD of the future, since both our top 4 RD's have a year left and we'll only be able to keep 1 of them
Sens take back Neal in hopes he can play well with Duchene and a lot of futures 2 top prospects which i believe will both be top halfway(6F/3D) or better, 3 top 62 picks, and 2 roster players, Frolik would help the defensive loss of Stones departure, Neal could definitely bounce back in a different system
Flame on boys and girls .
Ppl seriously Over valuing a rental here..
So lets pretend the best offer ottawa gets for their rentals is 1st plus not grade A prospect.. Only dumb gms trade Grade A prospects for rentals. It just doesn't happen
Paul Stastny got a 1st and Eric Foley, certainly not a top prospect. Sens fans be delushional here. I guess u could keep duchy and stoner and let them walk for nothing. You will take your late 1st and b prospect
Paul Statsny is not Duchesne or Stone, though.
Teams don't give up top prospects for rentals.
Teams don't give up multiple 1st round picks for rentals.
Those players might return more than Stastny, but it will be more along the lines of a 1st and a couple B prospects.
Done. Not giving up a 26 year old star in his prime, leader, league leader in takeaways for multiple years running, that would be captain on many teams for a 21 year old that still has the same scoring output on a much better team.
1st 2019 +top prospect (dube) + roster player (frolik) is a fair price for a rental. It's a lot of flames fans to stomach and enough that Ottawa is not giving away their best player for magic beans.
Let's talk about what gets added conditionally if stone resigns.
Is the 2020 1st enough?
You obviously have never watched Kylington or Dube then. Both would have equal value to the first.
So kinda like my proposal but without the choice of taking back Neal + 1 of Vali/Anderson + 2nd 21 in the deal
If players have no realistic chance of being top line forwards or #1D then they are useless pieces in a Stone trade.
At least the mystery box 1st has a (low) chance of meeting that criteria. Kylington and Dube don't or you wouldn't be willing to move them. But you are right I've never watched them play.
Can't afford a resigned Stone unless some one like Neal goes back to Ottawa.
Ottawa could probably get better offers from another team, Calgary shouldn't be giving up a bunch of youth right now.
Flames can’t deal for Stone unless Neal goes back the other way. We’re not losing Tkachuk.
You are going to be massively disappointed when Stone is dealt if you honestly believe Stone will return an elite prospect.
No you won't because he will just walk for nothing at the end of the year.
To me it's very much a cross the bridge when you come to it situation.
Whether he resigns with the flames or not, he would be the perfect piece to add to our top 6 for a playoff run.
Dube definitely has a chance to be a top 6 forward. He has all the tools that dzingle has for example. He reminds me a lot of Gallagher but hes actually a bit bigger. Was captain for canada at the WJC. People get caught up on him because his floor is as a 3rd line winger. His ceiling (at highest) could be something like brayden point. they had similar junior careers.
Is stone signed?
If not, he has much less value than tkachuk...much much less
I love when people make threads about X player (who they can resign / comes with a deal), then it turns into *Yeah but hes' a UFA / He won't resign with them!*
Stone is a top end winger. If you're not going to give us some top prospects who *MIGHT* be good one day for someone who already is, I don't know what to tell you.
sens fans are being reasonable here. I mean, we're talking about one of the best two-way forwards in the league that's also PPG player. Being a UFA obviously reduces his value and not just a little, but that's why he won't return a Tkachuk or the likes; not why he's not even worth a late 1st and an insignificant +.
If you actually went back at looked at the original proposal I said a signed Stone....
Winnipeg, Isles, Nashville, Vegas, Boston, maybe Tampa and Colorado.
If the best piece in your package is a late 1st and you're trying to attach a cap dump like Frolik you're out to lunch, we're talking about one of the best wingers in the league.
EDIT: Forgot you added that he'd be extended as part of the deal LOL, buddy....
Fail. Anyone can list a bunch of teams. List the better offers you would think they would make. Then I will sit back while fans of those teams tell you how out to lunch you are
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