Mark Spector made himself a fool...

Johnny Hoxville

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U forgot Barzal which is the worst trade of them all. At least for Hall they got an ok player.

They are all equally as bad tbh.

Hall (a Hart trophy winner), for someone who would be a #4D on our team.

Barzal for a player who was claimed to expansion and will never have an NHL team.

Eberle traded for what turned out to be an AHL player.

Horrible, horrible no matter which way you cut it. Let’s also not forget they signed the biggest boat anchor contract in the NHL.
 
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flamesforcup

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They are all equally as bad tbh.

Hall (a Hart trophy winner), for someone who would be a #4D on our team.

Barzal for a player who was claimed to expansion and will never have an NHL team.

Eberle traded for what turned out to be an AHL player.

Horrible, horrible no matter which way you cut it. Let’s also not forget they signed the biggest boat anchor contract in the NHL.
Yea at least a new GM could start fresh from the bad trades but the Lucic and Manning contracts will handcuff them for the future. Even if they do all the above and just dont do the Barzal trade they are likely a 100 point team almost. How bad do you have to be to mess that up. Even Flames fans didnt predict this.
 

Anglesmith

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U forgot Barzal which is the worst trade of them all. At least for Hall they got an ok player.

It wasn't the worst trade, but it was the worst result.

They didn't give up all All-Star in the Barzal trade, they just gave up a mid-first round pick. In the Hall trade they did give up an All-Star.
 

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It wasn't the worst trade, but it was the worst result.

They didn't give up all All-Star in the Barzal trade, they just gave up a mid-first round pick. .

In a draft where names like

- Matthew Barzal
- Kyle Connor
- Brock Boeser
- Thomas Chabot
- Sebastian Aho
- Travis Konecny
- Jack Roslovic
- Oliver Kylington
- Rasmus Andersson
- Kirill Kaprizov

Were available at 16
The Oilers got Griffin Reinhart.
 
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Anglesmith

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In a draft where names like

- Matthew Barzal
- Kyle Connor
- Brock Boeser
- Thomas Chabot
- Sebastian Aho
- Travis Konecny
- Jack Roslovic
- Oliver Kylington
- Rasmus Andersson
- Kirill Kaprizov

Were available at 16
The Oilers got Griffin Reinhart.
Hindsight is 20/20, though. I've never seen a draft go by where at 16, everyone's saying "yeah, everyone else is going to bust at this point." All of the first rounders look like studs during their draft.
 

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The Oilers were taking Eriksson Ek anyway at that spot so it's not like the pick would've made a huge difference anyway
 

DFF

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The Oilers were taking Eriksson Ek anyway at that spot so it's not like the pick would've made a huge difference anyway

Exactly..or Nick Merkley

You can't assume, otherwise the Flames traded Barzal+Dunn+Sprong for Hamilton...and lost big lol
 

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Exactly..or Nick Merkley

You can't assume, otherwise the Flames traded Barzal+Dunn+Sprong for Hamilton...and lost big lol

Flames were supposedly very high on Connor, Boeser, Barzal, and Sprong that year that year actually. All were names they were rumoured to want.

I've never argued we won the original Hamilton trade.
 
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DCDM

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In a draft where names like

- Matthew Barzal
- Kyle Connor
- Brock Boeser
- Thomas Chabot
- Sebastian Aho
- Travis Konecny
- Jack Roslovic
- Oliver Kylington
- Rasmus Andersson
- Kirill Kaprizov

Were available at 16
The Oilers got Griffin Reinhart.
Who then got drafted by Vegas lol
 

Kanye

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Hindsight is 20/20, though. I've never seen a draft go by where at 16, everyone's saying "yeah, everyone else is going to bust at this point." All of the first rounders look like studs during their draft.
Yeah but trading a mid first, and an early second for a borderline bust at the time (and now full time bust) who only played a handful of games and got plucked from expansion is absolutely horrendous asset management.
 

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Eh, Snow specifically and really only made that trade to take Barzal. They were targeting him; that's why the trade went down right as it was the Oilers turn to make their pick. So from the Islanders perspective, it was absolutely Reinhart for Barzal and a second. They don't necessarily make that trade if Barzal isn't there.

And I would go even further and say Chiarelli was well aware the Islanders wanted Barzal because it takes time to set these kind of trades up. Given the timing of the trade, I'd wager Snow told Chiarelli the trade only happens if Barzal's still available at 16th overall. So from the Oilers perspective, it was basically Barzal and a 2nd for Reinhart too.
 
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Anglesmith

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Yeah but trading a mid first, and an early second for a borderline bust at the time (and now full time bust) who only played a handful of games and got plucked from expansion is absolutely horrendous asset management.

True, but trading a mid first and early second for a future top pairing defenseman is not.
 

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True, but trading a mid first and early second for a future top pairing defenseman is not.

Nobody projected him as a top pairing guy by 2015 though. He had an ok season in the AHL and then fell off a cliff once he was traded to Edmonton. Optimistically, he was seen as a #3-4 guy by then.
 

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They weren't trading for 4th overall pick Griffin Reinhart, they were trading for the below average reclamation project Griffin Reinhart
I thought they were keen on Reinhart because of his connections to the Oil Kings.
 

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They weren't trading for 4th overall pick Griffin Reinhart, they were trading for the below average reclamation project Griffin Reinhart

In his first year of pro hockey, he had a decent offensive performance. Combining that with his pedigree from the draft, he was far from a "reclamation project." He was still the Isles' top prospect.

Whether anyone would have disagreed at the time, the Oilers traded for Reinhart thinking he would be more than what he became. The mid-first, at that time, had similar value to Reinhart.
 

Volica

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Nobody could ever see Reinhart ever being a top pairing D man though .

Yeah, you don’t draft a guy at 4 if you don’t see him as a 1D, it’s like saying people never saw Benny as a first line centre.
 

SKRusty

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Nobody projected him as a top pairing guy by 2015 though. He had an ok season in the AHL and then fell off a cliff once he was traded to Edmonton. Optimistically, he was seen as a #3-4 guy by then.

In his first year of pro hockey, he had a decent offensive performance. Combining that with his pedigree from the draft, he was far from a "reclamation project." He was still the Isles' top prospect.

Whether anyone would have disagreed at the time, the Oilers traded for Reinhart thinking he would be more than what he became. The mid-first, at that time, had similar value to Reinhart.

Yeah, you don’t draft a guy at 4 if you don’t see him as a 1D, it’s like saying people never saw Benny as a first line centre.

You guys are all missing the real issue in Edmonton and to a lesser extent the Islanders before Griffin was traded there. The development systems he was under were crap and then speed took over the game. He was screwed on all accounts.

Spector and the Oiler brass still have not identified the issue despite almost everyone pointing them out with high powered laser pointers.
 

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In his first year of pro hockey, he had a decent offensive performance. Combining that with his pedigree from the draft, he was far from a "reclamation project." He was still the Isles' top prospect.

Whether anyone would have disagreed at the time, the Oilers traded for Reinhart thinking he would be more than what he became. The mid-first, at that time, had similar value to Reinhart.

Disagree regarding the mid first being roughly equal value. Even at the time, before the deal Reinhart was pretty widely regarded as a bust of a pick, that even most Islander fans were ecstatic to be rid of.
 

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The most interesting part is that Chiarelli didn't just crater the Edmonton Oilers, but he added radioactive wasteland with some of his contracts (Lucic, Russell etc.). Or we can give the OBC credit, either way, it's more than just a crater in the ground. The current is pretty effed, but the longer term future is also super messed up too.

I think Oilers have to wait out the roster for around 2-3 years before the the ground clears enough to even start hoping for growth. In Chicago's situation, they leaned heavily on drafting and a development system to surround the core with ELC. Edmonton doesn't have that and their prospects are stunting/losing value daily. A retool doesn't look likely due to bottomed out value of prospects and a full on rebuild won't work either as the value on their roster (other than maybe Draisaitl and RNH) is decimated and the optics of moving their highest value player is so bad, that they might as well relocate if they go that route.

Another interesting part is that they haven't even started remediation of the effed up power plant leaking radiation in the OBC.

So where does Edmonton go from here? It's literally dead ends in many directions with no significant idea of an exodus of this catastrophe.
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I mean, there's obviously some fans who will always delight at the failures of the Oilers, but it's insane it's at a level that was not predictable prior to Chiarelli's start. They probably are watched as events unfolded like this:
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DCDM

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The most interesting part is that Chiarelli didn't just crater the Edmonton Oilers, but he added radioactive wasteland with some of his contracts (Lucic, Russell etc.). Or we can give the OBC credit, either way, it's more than just a crater in the ground. The current is pretty effed, but the longer term future is also super messed up too.

I think Oilers have to wait out the roster for around 2-3 years before the the ground clears enough to even start hoping for growth. In Chicago's situation, they leaned heavily on drafting and a development system to surround the core with ELC. Edmonton doesn't have that and their prospects are stunting/losing value daily. A retool doesn't look likely due to bottomed out value of prospects and a full on rebuild won't work either as the value on their roster (other than maybe Draisaitl and RNH) is decimated and the optics of moving their highest value player is so bad, that they might as well relocate if they go that route.

Another interesting part is that they haven't even started remediation of the effed up power plant leaking radiation in the OBC.
The first step is admission and I don't hear anyone admitting anything is wrong up there.

Until they get over their own egos, they're doomed.
 

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