Discussion in 'International Tournaments' started by Phanuthier*, Aug 20, 2004.
Uhh... good post?
In my opinion, Sakic deserved the C. He was our best player in the final match at the olympics and deserved to be the captain.
Four As seems like overkill when you also have a captain.
One game doesn't earn the captaincy. Lemieux was the captain last time, I don't see any reason to replace him. This team is full of leaders.
The thing is, Sakic really deserves it in my opinion. It's time that Lemiuex shouldn't be the captain anymore.
Lemieux's the most experienced. Most of the players on that team, especially the younger ones, grew up watching him and Gretz be the best players ever. It's not like it REALLY makes a difference anyway. Leaders will lead with a C or with a blank jersey, simple as that.
Sakic and Lemieux are about 3 - 4 years apart in age. If its time for a new capt. they've got to go younger than those two. Probably Iginla or Neidermayer. However Lemieux will serve them well, as he led them to gold last time.
That it does.
Lemieux is the obvious choice IMO. Sakic, Niedermayer & Foote were also no-brainers for "A"s.
I think its clear with Iginla getting an "A" that he will be the captain of the future for Team Canada.
I have mixed feelings about Iginla getting the "A".
Certainly he is a great NHL captain, and is really the best example of what a Canadian hockey player is to me.
However, with his tendancies to sort of lose it when things arne't going well for his team (the playoff fights are what I'm talking about), I'm not certain he will be as disciplined as he needs to be with European officials.
The reason why he is such a great captain is because he DOES lose it when things aren't going well. Let's face it; he only lost it when a message needed to be sent and the games were out of hand (Hatcher/Ohlund were fights at the end of losing games, Lecavalier was the 2 best players trying to make a statement). That was the beauty of the Flames in the playoffs and most of the year; even when they lost, you felt like they won (and I think the team felt like they won) because they always went down fighting (literally). That was a result of Iggy's leadership.
From watching him this past year, Iginla is smart enough to pick his spots on the ice, and is an incredible ambassodar for the game off of it.
An international tournament is a "little" different than the NHL playoffs. I'm not worried about Iginla picking a fight in the World Cup if that is what you are saying. Iginla is aware of the situation, he is a smart hockey player.
A 7 game playoff series is the farthest thing from an international tournament.
Couldn't agree more. Iginla won't back down from anyone if it means fighting for himself or one of his teammates. That is part of what a leader is all about. Sure, Messier, Lemieux, Sakic, Yzerman do not fight but if they had the strength and fighting abilities of Iginla, they surely would fight. They've had guys to do it for them (Semenko, Simon, McKenna, Worrell, Probert, McCarty etc...) while Iginla can handle things himself. You have to admire that.
Some call it sour grapes, I call it hating it lose.
I'd rather have my leaders hate losing then accept defeat
My guess is that it will be like this:
Lemieux- captain at all times.
2 of the "A's when they are the home team.
2 of them when they are the away team.
thats how the canucks do it too.
I'm not saying Iginla has sour grapes or anything. He is a great leader who hates losing. That's perfect.
HOWEVER, I am concerned that he may not play as smart as he could be if he becomes frustrated by a poor result in a round robin game. With the chickenpoop way that many international games are officiated, my concern is he will pick up unnecessary penalties.
But maybe not. The playoffs are different from the World Cup, I agree. However, so is the officiating, and some things that were tolerated in theplayoffs, won't be in this tournament.
And what gives you that idea? That when the Flames are losing, Iginla finds ways to motivates his team?
What, you think Iginla's going to go around breaking chairs because his team loses?
Don't mind him he likes to troll things about Canada
anyway why so many assistants, I know they all have great Leadership qualities but I'd like to see just 2.
A- ...I dunno..
I totally agree that the officiating is horrid in Europe.
But we should be just as worried about Thornton, Jovanovski, Maltby, Doan, Smyth, Foote, Regehr etc.....
Anyone that plays a physical style is in the same boat IMO.
Probably to just spread out the pressure and media attension. Mario can handle it, being one of the top players in the history of hockey, but why put the pressure on 2 players?
Also spreads out responsibilities, and teaches younger guys Iginla and Niedermayer how to be a leader. The next world cup, it is likely that Iginla may get a C, or may be one of the remaining core of the 2002 Olympics et al and be a big part of Team Canada's future.
There's really no loss in having alternate assistant captains, and tons to gain.
Oh, for sure, I agree.
But only Foote, of that group, is also being visibly put into a leadership role (and its basically inevitable for a defenceman).
C'mon! Give Sakic the "C". He won the gold medal for Canada for pete's sakes!
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