The love fest continues...
Relax. It's a conversation and we disagree.
Gauthier: Can't believe you are defending him. I guess every squirrel gets a nut every once in a while eh?
Gainey and Bergevin: Same thing pretty much. They started off well and struggled towards the end. And I was a huge fan of Gainey as our GM for the record.
8 top 100 picks from 2008-2011. That is on Gainey and very few people are willing to acknowledge this. This set us up for failure with our prospect pool for many years after and we are only turning the corner from this now... 7 years later.
Make him a Beer salesman, and call it a day!!
Why do you always bring up 2008-2011 but leave out 2007 or the poor drafting from 2012-2017? Gainey was only there for the 2008/09 drafts and we didn't even have a 1st round pick in 2008 because we used it to acquire Tanguay for the Centennial year. Hello McFly!?? Then in 2010 we drafted Gallagher... you know the current best player on the team that just scored 30 goals... WTF is wrong with you? I seriously can't figure it out.
I asked you before and you never answered... what corner are we turning 7 years later? Do we have a Vezina/hart goalie in the minors? Norris trophy defenseman? Multiple 30 goal scorers? Please tell us what corner we are turning when our best prospect is realistically a 2C, the rest are all middling prospects and the big club is literally one of the worst it has ever been in franchise history.
We are not disagreeing... you are just flat out wrong.
he will be on the phone with depanneurs all day long. dream job.Make him a Beer salesman, and call it a day!!
Bergevin would first water down the beer then when sales drop Molson would come out saying he has full confidence in the new line of beer and it's better than the previous lines.MB would complain that trying to sell beer to a bunch of drunks s too hard
We are not disagreeing... you are just flat out wrong. Also I am not defending Gauthier, I am merely stating the facts unlike you who defends Bergevin in lieu of the facts and being proven to be an incompetent tool of the highest magnitude and worst GM in the history of the sport. Where would this team be without Gallagher and his 30 goals? When was the last time Bergevin added a comparable player to the core? Bergevin unintentionally built a lottery team when he thought he was building a contender. 7 years later he's still riding the coattails of his predecessor.
Gainey didn't inherit a golden team like Bergevin with tons of talented prospects entering their prime. He took over a poopoo team he inherited from the dark ages. Gainey did not stuggle, he overpaid for Gomez but the team he built made it to the ECF the very same year he was let go. That is literally the opposite of struggling. It's embarrassing that you would even compare him to Bergevin and you're no fan of Gainey's if you think they are comparable. People credit McPhee and the Golden Knights for building a contender in one off season. Where is Gainey's credit for doing the same? And he didn't have the luxury of poaching the other team's best players.
Molson and Bergevin are not smart enough to do this...Bergevin keeps talking how the draft is so important then why not go get some more draft picks.....take on some players on LTIR like Franzen with Detroit and MacArthur with Ottawa if you could get second round picks those would be high picks because those 2 teams will be bad.....and Molson needs to put his money where his mouth is.
they will also promise to change font on the label to improve drinking expirienceBergevin would first water down the beer then when sales drop Molson would come out saying he has full confidence in the new line of beer and it's better than the previous lines.
Anyone passing through Fredericton and wants some beer should try Trailway Brewing. They have some great beers. Nova Scotia has a lot of good beers too all through the province. I can only really comment to the IPA's personally though.
Edit: If the last thread was closed because of the beer talk feel free to delete this, but it didnt come off that way and this seems more productive than talking about how Bergevin doing nothing is better than when he tries to do something.
Make him a Beer salesman, and call it a day!!
Gainey inherited Markov, Koivu, Ribs, Hainsey, Beauchemin, Komi, Higgins, Ryder and Pleks. He had Theo who a season before won a Hart and Vezna. I give MB Price but the rest Gainey inherited a better core than MB did.
Its clear you have no objectivity. If MB lost Ribs for Ninima you would be screaming it on this board all day but you give Gainey a pass. What about losing Beau and Hainsey for nothing? Or letting Kovalev/Komi walk in UFA year and treating our long standing cancer surviving captain like dung so he could get shiny new Gomez? If MB did all these things you would be crying on this board about it.
MB deserves his flak but because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they are wrong or you can tell them to GTFO. TooLegit is being balanced and see's the good and bad but you just want to push only your narrative and opinion.
So before you put me on blast, yes MB sucked these last 2 seasons and probably should be shown the door but we can still have civil conversations on this board.
Season 1 - no expectations, habs finish 4th in NHL exceeded.
Season 2 - Habs finish 9th in NHL on par with expectations after the previous lock out season
Season 3 - Habs finish 2nd in NHL exceed expectations after an ECF run
Season 4 - Miss the playoffs with epic collapse, below expectations
Season 5 - Up until Feb habs were a top 5 team, after trading PK and missing playoffs the year before exceeded expectations. Team got tired of MT, had a bad streak and he is fired.
So essentially all but 1 season the habs meet or exceeded the expectations. I don't deny MT wore out his welcome by the 5th season and he was rightfully fired. But your essentially saying a 3rd last team was expected to win back 2 back cups after his first year.
And outside of that? Look at our 2-6 D it was pretty bad. I don't deny Markov/PK carried the D but you got guys like Cube/Allen/Gonchar/Gilbert/Rookie Beau/etc...
Max was a great scorer and then we drop off to PAP and Weise and Semins. Yes we had some good young guys but thats the point they were young you are putting the weight of the team on 19 and 20 year olds, one was a 5th round pick. This team had a decent group of about 5/6 players and then the rest was a bunch of depth.
Goaltending I will say Price was great. D well again outside of Markov/PK it was very barren. But the rest of the lineup was a tier below. And thats where the habs finished a tier below those teams.
From MT's hire till his fire the team was 9th in points in the NHL. They were at the tier they should be at, even probably above it, based on the roster they had.
LOL lets use imaginary numbers instead of real numbers. Pretty much every player under MT had their best seasons ever. Lars surpassed his finally last season with 38 pts with caps. Markov/Pleks had their best seasons in nearly a decade.
MT's best players played their best hockey under him and the team overall even with the epic collapse still was 9th in the NHL for points. Looking at the teams roster outside really of Price/Max/PK/Markov they punched above where they should of been.
Doesn't mean MT is the smartest guy in the world and can't be critcized, but I agree with toolegittoquit that the hyperbole on MT is over the top and people can't see past their bias and hate for the guy.
My coach should get the best out of his best players and provide a good record. For most of his time here MT did that and when he stopped he got shown the door.