Marc Bergevin - Now What?

[The Gr8 Dane]

Right and wrong at the same time.

The Habs have been a poor organisation before Molson and Bergevin got here. It's been 25 years.
Either it was Molson or Gillett, Houle or Bergevin....they all had the same problem, made the same mistakes:

They listened too much to the French medias.

Casual fans (And that include a lot of my friends/co-workers/Family) don't follow the Habs as most of us.
They often, if not always, repeat the same BS they heard on the radio. I listened to the same shows that they
do so it's funny when they simply repeat to me what was said on the radio or TV. Words for words sometimes.

For the Habs, it's all about their image so they do listened a lot to what the medias are saying, suggesting and wants cause by affiliation, that's the same thing the fans are saying, suggesting and wants.

Therrien stayed too long? French medias loved him until the very end.
Desharnais should have been put aside for Galchenyuk? French medias loved DD at center a lot.

Historic meltdown, French medias trashed Subban and Eller more than anyone.
Following summer, Subban and Eller were the only one traded.

French medias wants french players. So even if all those names were the last type of players this team needed, they still trade/sign/extend Briere, Parenteau, Desharnais, Bouillon, Drouin, Danault, Deslauriers....Byron speaking french is simply a coincidence, just like another coincidence Mitchell was born in MTL. Let's waste a good pick on Zachary Fucale cause you know....french medias kept talking about him all year long as the next Roy, even if goaltending was the last thing this team needed. Let's waste a pick on Leblanc, **** what the scout thinks, it's what the medias thinks that matters.

There's not ONE player, ONE coach, One General Manager, ONE scout that actually thinks that speaking french is a hockey skill and matters. Not ONE of them thinks that it matters where a player is coming from...then why it matters for this organisation....Cause the french medias think it matters and sold that idea to fans so this dumb organisation follow the Medias' idea.

If those medias were selling something else, then this organisation would follow too.
So it's the organisation's fault to listen too much to the medias.....but it's the medias' fault to keep selling a losing culture and false idealogy to the fans.

Couldn't have said if better . Great write up.
And still so many people on this boards will tell you that language and politics and french bias has nothing to do with our struggles (far from our only problem)

 

[groovejuice]

As I have often said. Classic case of Dunning Kruger Effect.

 

[Milhouse40]

Couldn't have said if better . Great write up.
And still so many people on this boards will tell you that language and politics and french bias has nothing to do with our struggles (far from our only problem)

I really thought that finally, Fans and Medias would wake up and see the cracks in their theory.
It's 2018 and they still buy something that never works in 25 years (French management)
And they still buy that what happened in the 70's is the recipe for winning.

The funny thing about this is those clowns like Jici Lajoie or Renaud Lavoie who are promoting those ideas can't defend it but it could be so easily prove that it's all pure and total crap and it's not working.

We have 25 years of failure from GM to coaches to players as proof. They have nothing to back up their shit.

 

[pepperMonkey]

My cousin was a reporter for 30 years. I have no sympathy for those who work in fear instead of work for the story. Especially not in sports. Try having your life threatened for writing stories on casinos. A little worse than having a piece of plastic revoked.

I'm sorry but, I have no sympathy for those who put their jobs in front of their families well being.
Try telling your spouse you knowingly got fired because you just 'had' to do the story as it was the right thing to do...then try to justify to them how that was worth now having to figure out how you are going to pay for your house, putting food on the table, put cloths on your kids, pay the medical bills, pay for your car etc. etc.
There are some who simply can not risk such situations and if you can't sympathize for those people, well, I feel bad for you.

 

[Censored Toad]

I'm sorry but, I have no sympathy for those who put their jobs in front of their families well being.
Try telling your spouse you knowingly got fired because you just 'had' to do the story as it was the right thing to do...then try to justify to them how that was worth now having to figure out how you are going to pay for your house, putting food on the table, put cloths on your kids, pay the medical bills, pay for your car etc. etc.
There are some who simply can not risk such situations and if you can't sympathize for those people, well, I feel bad for you.

That is a very legitimate point P.monkey. I suppose some could get other sports jobs but they would have to move etc.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

We need a sacrificial lamb then!
No wife no kids would be the best

 

[BLONG7]

Right and wrong at the same time.

The Habs have been a poor organisation before Molson and Bergevin got here. It's been 25 years.
Either it was Molson or Gillett, Houle or Bergevin....they all had the same problem, made the same mistakes:

They listened too much to the French medias.

Casual fans (And that include a lot of my friends/co-workers/Family) don't follow the Habs as most of us.
They often, if not always, repeat the same BS they heard on the radio. I listened to the same shows that they
do so it's funny when they simply repeat to me what was said on the radio or TV. Words for words sometimes.

For the Habs, it's all about their image so they do listened a lot to what the medias are saying, suggesting and wants cause by affiliation, that's the same thing the fans are saying, suggesting and wants.

Therrien stayed too long? French medias loved him until the very end.
Desharnais should have been put aside for Galchenyuk? French medias loved DD at center a lot.

Historic meltdown, French medias trashed Subban and Eller more than anyone.
Following summer, Subban and Eller were the only one traded.

French medias wants french players. So even if all those names were the last type of players this team needed, they still trade/sign/extend Briere, Parenteau, Desharnais, Bouillon, Drouin, Danault, Deslauriers....Byron speaking french is simply a coincidence, just like another coincidence Mitchell was born in MTL. Let's waste a good pick on Zachary Fucale cause you know....french medias kept talking about him all year long as the next Roy, even if goaltending was the last thing this team needed. Let's waste a pick on Leblanc, **** what the scout thinks, it's what the medias thinks that matters.

There's not ONE player, ONE coach, One General Manager, ONE scout that actually thinks that speaking french is a hockey skill and matters. Not ONE of them thinks that it matters where a player is coming from...then why it matters for this organisation....Cause the french medias think it matters and sold that idea to fans so this dumb organisation follow the Medias' idea.

If those medias were selling something else, then this organisation would follow too.
So it's the organisation's fault to listen too much to the medias.....but it's the medias' fault to keep selling a losing culture and false idealogy to the fans.

This is bang on...........yesterday I said this, with a statement, the Habs have placated to the franco media, and it got deleted.........not sure why, it was the truth. It is the truth, and in the words of Jack Nicholson, maybe, we can;t handle the truth?

Great post by the way!! Only in Montreal eh.........

 

[Milhouse40]

This is bang on...........yesterday I said this, with a statement, the Habs have placated to the franco media, and it got deleted.........not sure why, it was the truth. It is the truth, and in the words of Jack Nicholson, maybe, we can;t handle the truth?

Great post by the way!! Only in Montreal eh.........

It's often deleted here.
You wrote that on RDS.ca and it's deleted.

On twitter, you said those things and gets muted or attack by clowns that really like being Quebecers but don't know jack shit about sports or hockey. You call on Radio shows and try to talk about this subject and you get cut off.

It's a sensible subject....but it shouldn't be.

It's 2018. It's sports. It's should be talked about cause it's ruining this organisation, our sports and in the end, everybody will lose....even those who are trying to mute this subject.

 

[Bryson]

Right and wrong at the same time.

The Habs have been a poor organisation before Molson and Bergevin got here. It's been 25 years.
Either it was Molson or Gillett, Houle or Bergevin....they all had the same problem, made the same mistakes:

They listened too much to the French medias.

Casual fans (And that include a lot of my friends/co-workers/Family) don't follow the Habs as most of us.
They often, if not always, repeat the same BS they heard on the radio. I listened to the same shows that they
do so it's funny when they simply repeat to me what was said on the radio or TV. Words for words sometimes.

For the Habs, it's all about their image so they do listened a lot to what the medias are saying, suggesting and wants cause by affiliation, that's the same thing the fans are saying, suggesting and wants.

Therrien stayed too long? French medias loved him until the very end.
Desharnais should have been put aside for Galchenyuk? French medias loved DD at center a lot.

Historic meltdown, French medias trashed Subban and Eller more than anyone.
Following summer, Subban and Eller were the only one traded.

French medias wants french players. So even if all those names were the last type of players this team needed, they still trade/sign/extend Briere, Parenteau, Desharnais, Bouillon, Drouin, Danault, Deslauriers....Byron speaking french is simply a coincidence, just like another coincidence Mitchell was born in MTL. Let's waste a good pick on Zachary Fucale cause you know....french medias kept talking about him all year long as the next Roy, even if goaltending was the last thing this team needed. Let's waste a pick on Leblanc, **** what the scout thinks, it's what the medias thinks that matters.

There's not ONE player, ONE coach, One General Manager, ONE scout that actually thinks that speaking french is a hockey skill and matters. Not ONE of them thinks that it matters where a player is coming from...then why it matters for this organisation....Cause the french medias think it matters and sold that idea to fans so this dumb organisation follow the Medias' idea.

If those medias were selling something else, then this organisation would follow too.
So it's the organisation's fault to listen too much to the medias.....but it's the medias' fault to keep selling a losing culture and false idealogy to the fans.

Great post as usual Milhouse40, in some ways the medias and the fans who support them got exactly the team that they deserve.

To play devils advocate, is the team controlling the media or is the media controlling the team? What I mean here is we know that Bergevin and Therrien didn't like PK Subban, how easy do you think it would be for them to leak to the media that Subban was lockerroom cancer? That rumor had to come from somewhere and to this day people still believe that! The Canadiens are a byproduct of the province's political climate and until things change this will always be the case.

Also I do not think it's fair to put George Gillet era into the Molson versions of the team. Gainey was a champion and he wanted to win. Sure he wanted Vincent LeCavalier but he also went after Mats Sundin. He signed Alex Tanguay but he also acquired Alex Kovalev and Tanguay was actually a good player for the one year he was here. In no time do I recall Gainey's team playing inferior players ahead of more talented ones like Desharnais ahead of 3rd overall pick Alex Galchenyuk. Also Gauthier did not give a damn about the local media when he hired an interim anglophone coach which ultimately led to him being fired.

Funny I was about to write how one despised the media while the other knows how to use them but the fact of the matter is I think that both Gauthier and Bergevin despise the media just as much, so not sure why the media protects MB so much! I guess MB just does a better job of pandering to the media!

 

[Darkstorm]

Clearly Bergevin doesn’t care, as long as he gets paid, he wouldn’t give a rats @SS about the team and it’s future. I bet you anything he will trade for another 3rd-4th liner like always and might sacrifice our 1st pick.

He will say as always “ there was nothing out there that could help us improve our team”

 

[Captain Mountain]

Clearly Bergevin doesn’t care, as long as he gets paid, he wouldn’t give a rats @SS about the team and it’s future. I bet you anything he will trade for another 3rd-4th liner like always and might sacrifice our 1st pick.

He will say as always “ there was nothing out there that could help us improve our team”

Someone has a username "SS"?

 

[pepperMonkey]

Clearly Bergevin doesn’t care, as long as he gets paid, he wouldn’t give a rats @SS about the team and it’s future. I bet you anything he will trade for another 3rd-4th liner like always and might sacrifice our 1st pick.

He will say as always “ there was nothing out there that could help us improve our team”

There is a big difference between not caring and not having the abilities to produce results with the addition of an ego that disallows him to admit he messed up.

 

[Milhouse40]

Great post as usual Milhouse40, in some ways the medias and the fans who support them got exactly the team that they deserve.

To play devils advocate, is the team controlling the media or is the media controlling the team? What I mean here is we know that Bergevin and Therrien didn't like PK Subban, how easy do you think it would be for them to leak to the media that Subban was lockerroom cancer? That rumor had to come from somewhere and to this day people still believe that! The Canadiens are a byproduct of the province's political climate and until things change this will always be the case.

Also I do not think it's fair to put George Gillet era into the Molson versions of the team. Gainey was a champion and he wanted to win. Sure he wanted Vincent LeCavalier but he also went after Mats Sundin. He signed Alex Tanguay but he also acquired Alex Kovalev and Tanguay was actually a good player for the one year he was here. In no time do I recall Gainey's team playing inferior players ahead of more talented ones like Desharnais ahead of 3rd overall pick Alex Galchenyuk. Also Gauthier did not give a damn about the local media when he hired an interim anglophone coach which ultimately led to him being fired.

Funny I was about to write how one despised the media while the other knows how to use them but the fact of the matter is I think that both Gauthier and Bergevin despise the media just as much, so not sure why the media protects MB so much! I guess MB just does a better job of pandering to the media!

I agree that in late 80's it really was a byproduct of the political climate.....but it's 2018. There's not much political climate especially since the new generation (15-30) mostly all speak english very well.

Subban's wasn't really liked by the medias the day he didn't show up at camp. Medias just sat in the corner f their new guys. With Therrien it was only worst cause not only he was un gars de chez nous, he was working with them, he was their friends....so whoever picked up fights with him ended up second in the medias.

Despites he did well, Carbonneau was not fit for the job of Head-coach but Gainey still hire him because of the Medias driven obsession....good thing Gainey fired him in time cause that would have probably led to Price leaving MTL. Medias, as usual, would've sat in the corner of their guys like they did for Therrien and Bergevin VS Subban.

Remember the Guy, Guy, Guy for Guillaume Latendresse.....he wasn't really ready for NHL action, but medias asked for it and they got it. Just like for Leblanc. That's on Gillet's and Gainey's watch.

Remember how the medias made a big story about Gauthier living in Vermont and not being a real gars de chez nous? That's all that matters to them. Look how fast they are to criticize Julien compare to Therrien, look how much they were criticizing Gainey compare to Bergevin... that's what happen when you're not born at the right place.

 

[Habs Icing]

WTF are you talking about? Dunning-Kruger is a cognitive bias wherein people of low ability suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is. It's obvious from the picture you posted The Idiot suffers no such bias when it comes to growing a beard, picking out a wardrobe and handling his liquor.

 

[groovejuice]

WTF are you talking about? Dunning-Kruger is a cognitive bias wherein people of low ability suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is. It's obvious from the picture you posted The Idiot suffers no such bias when it comes to growing a beard, picking out a wardrobe and handling his liquor.

If you look closely, also cat-strangling and check his liquor brand...

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

WTF are you talking about? Dunning-Kruger is a cognitive bias wherein people of low ability suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is. It's obvious from the picture you posted The Idiot suffers no such bias when it comes to growing a beard, picking out a wardrobe and handling his liquor.

Actually the bias goes to both end of the spectrum but in an inverse fashion, where those with greater ability suffer the belief that everyone are as capable as they are.

However Bergevin will never be mistaken for the wrong end of the spectrum.

 

[Runner77]

There is a big difference between not caring and not having the abilities to produce results with the addition of an ego that disallows him to admit he messed up.

We'd all live with the ego and even with the not-admitting-mistakes part, as long as he'd have the merit of doing what he said he'd do and yes, produce results -- at least results that are begotten from a plan.

And where the plan fails, or the results are not there, he should have had the wherewithal to conduct an audit of his resources (even by using a competent and trusted hockey consultant), conduct performance reviews and not automatically hand out promotions, contract extensions and/or raises as he did last summer. Effect changes, poach the best from other clubs and then call a presser and tell the fan base how the organisation was improved, what the plan is now and how quickly they want to get there.

But no, he denies reality, conducts pressers after a win, says nothing of value and keeps pretending at least publicly, that the Habs are still vying for a playoff spot. Does he think the average fan is that gullible?

 

[sampollock]

MB like tough wingers, enter Saad

 

[Electricity]

I'm sorry but, I have no sympathy for those who put their jobs in front of their families well being.
Try telling your spouse you knowingly got fired because you just 'had' to do the story as it was the right thing to do...then try to justify to them how that was worth now having to figure out how you are going to pay for your house, putting food on the table, put cloths on your kids, pay the medical bills, pay for your car etc. etc.
There are some who simply can not risk such situations and if you can't sympathize for those people, well, I feel bad for you.

There are lots of 'legitimate' reasons to sell out your integrity and it's everyone's right to do so. However, fear is low on my list of reasons. If you'd rather have security for your family and yourself then don't take such an important profession such as journalism. You better believe anyone who's been trained to be one has believed at one point that it's a holy profession, and it is, sports or otherwise.

But it's not really about "security", it's about bigger and better material things isn't it?

You've given a great reason why journalism as an irreplaceable necessity in a democratic society is DEAD. People just want to pay dem bills. Don't rock the boat baby. Just have a family and big house and giant tv and barely more salary than bills. The job is just a job eh.

Until they need a bigger tv, then you've really got to keep that job...

 

[Peanut]

Is anyone really surprised how bad a high school drop has failed at re signing Markov and Radulov

 

[ECWHSWI]

Great post as usual Milhouse40, in some ways the medias and the fans who support them got exactly the team that they deserve.

To play devils advocate, is the team controlling the media or is the media controlling the team? What I mean here is we know that Bergevin and Therrien didn't like PK Subban, how easy do you think it would be for them to leak to the media that Subban was lockerroom cancer? That rumor had to come from somewhere and to this day people still believe that! The Canadiens are a byproduct of the province's political climate and until things change this will always be the case.

Also I do not think it's fair to put George Gillet era into the Molson versions of the team. Gainey was a champion and he wanted to win. Sure he wanted Vincent LeCavalier but he also went after Mats Sundin. He signed Alex Tanguay but he also acquired Alex Kovalev and Tanguay was actually a good player for the one year he was here. In no time do I recall Gainey's team playing inferior players ahead of more talented ones like Desharnais ahead of 3rd overall pick Alex Galchenyuk. Also Gauthier did not give a damn about the local media when he hired an interim anglophone coach which ultimately led to him being fired.

Funny I was about to write how one despised the media while the other knows how to use them but the fact of the matter is I think that both Gauthier and Bergevin despise the media just as much, so not sure why the media protects MB so much! I guess MB just does a better job of pandering to the media!

that's bullshit, you know it.
you guys can play victim somewhere else.

 

[Runner77]

TRANSLATION: David Vallorani, called up by the Rocket, will have to be returned to the Brampton Beast. Since he began the season in Sweden, he is not eligible to play under an entry-level AHL contract.

Isn't it up to the Rocket's GM, Larry Carrière, a Marc Bergevin appointee, to know this?

 

[LaP]

TRANSLATION: David Vallorani, called up by the Rocket, will have to be returned to the Brampton Beast. Since he began the season in Sweden, he is not eligible to play under an entry-level AHL contract.

Isn't it up to the Rocket's GM, Larry Carrière, a Marc Bergevin appointee, to know this?

Can you stop posting these pictures?

I understand those guys are bad and it's fun to laugh at them but man it hurts too much too see this organization i loved so much as a kid being pretty much the equivalent of an amateur bowling team. Could MB's sidekicks have at least have some respect for the great past of this organization ...

 

[Runner77]

Can you stop posting these pictures?

I understand those guys are bad and it's fun to laugh at them but man it hurts too much too see this organization i loved so much as a kid being pretty much the equivalent of an amateur bowling team. Could MB's sidekicks have at least have some respect for the great past of this organization ...

I'd prefer posting pictures of the Habs succeeding at something. It's just my way of dealing with the absurdity of this GM group -- I just can't believe Molson is continuing to watch this downspiral. Nothing other than levity is meant by it. Cheers.

 

[LaP]

The more i watch this picture the more i feel like i need a drink ... nah probably the whole bottle ...