Marc Bergevin - Now What?

[Habs100]

Why aren't the so called tough media making more of this? We all see it, but not them?? WTF? Bergevin for the past 3 seasons, has been a disaster...

we've all seen things that the coach and GM have done that were ridiculous all along, yet they keep their jobs:

let Radulov walk, don't sign Markov, etc..

put Pacioretty on the half wall of the pp instead of the high slot, don't have Galchenyuk in his office, open for the one timer. Then they finally do these things after we've been screaming at the TV for half a season, and then surprise surprise we have one of the best power plays in the league.

Now it's: why is Byron on the Pacioretty line instead of Gallagher??? Why is Gallagher stuck with Plekanec??? Can we give Carr a real shot???

It should be

Pacioretty Hudon Gallagher
Scherbak Galchenyuk Drouin

When Danault comes back you see if the Pacioretty line is better with Danault at center or Hudon. I bet a Lehkonen Danault Byron 3rd line would be a good shutdown line and wreck havoc in the offensive zone with their speed to pucks and hard forecheck.

Time to move on from Plekanec and Shaw.

 

[Ozmodiar]

This is what I do not understand when it comes to the relationships between Montreal and the Media.....
Why the hell would a Owner honestly care what those F**kwads think about the team/him.

RDS needs the Habs way more then the Habs need RDS.

As we can clearly see, icing a sub-standard product for multiple seasons has only scratched at the attendance /profits of the habs. He's still making money so why can't he grow a pair , Fire Marc and tell RDS to go pound salt.

Two things happen,
1) RDS runs some sort of BS smear campaign and basically makes up a bunch of bull**** . Fans will hopefully see past it and label it as #fakenews (which it probably is).
2) RDS shuts up, gets in line because if they start speaking ill of the regime, they will get restricted access or outright blocked in favor of the more friendly news outlets.

Molson/Habs have all the power in this relationship. They already do it now, you ask bergie too hard of questions or make him look like the idiot we all know he is, you won't get invited back.

Molson isn't firing Bergie out of fear of RDS backlash thats for sure.

Do I have this all wrong ?? Does the media have more sway in MTL then I think?

RDS is paying ~ $1.1M per game for the regional broadcast rights.

The Habs care, and won't tell them to 'pound salt' or restrict access.

In fact, you have to wonder if there's been a dialog between the two. Something along the lines of "we're paying a lot of money for television rights, you have to ensure there's a contingent of local players on the team. Someone the fans can listen to, relate to. Someone who we can interview on a regular basis." I wouldn't be surprised if this came up during negotiations.

 

[WeThreeKings]

RDS is paying ~ $1.1M per game for the regional broadcast rights.

The Habs care, and won't tell them to 'pound salt' or restrict access.

In fact, you have to wonder if there's been a dialog between the two. Something along the lines of "we're paying a lot of money for television rights, you have to ensure there's a contingent of local players on the team. Someone the fans can listen to, relate to. Someone who we can interview on a regular basis." I wouldn't be surprised if this came up during negotiations.

"No, we will sell the rights to a lesser local station for less money. Bye."

 

[theghost1]

Molson u bloody moron if you are not going to go for it and win cups.....then gut the bloody team....trade everybody....and gut the bloody front office......what the bloody hell are you waiting for.

 

[Price is Wright]

This is where we disagree. Is it cowardice to want to provide food on the table for your family and a roof over their heads? It is not the montreal media's job to get the team's management to do the right thing! If a team is more interested in pandering to what the media says or doesn't say then it is not focused on success.

And who says that Bergevin is on the hotseat? Bergevin's extension ends in 2022. A pigheaded owner could very well keep MB around for another 2-3 years. If a reporter gets his access revoked that a heck of a long time to be without access. Hard to be a sports reporter when you can't even get access to the local team. No, it is the Montreal Canadiens Oranization that is to blame for instilling such a toxic and suffocating environment.

My cousin was a reporter for 30 years. I have no sympathy for those who work in fear instead of work for the story. Especially not in sports. Try having your life threatened for writing stories on casinos. A little worse than having a piece of plastic revoked.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Well to be fair, GM's rarely get fired midseason. He'll get fired in the off-season imo

And things will remain the same unless it's someone savvy who can also reign in trust fund dummy, someone with pedigree. Otherwise Schmolson will still screw up the team.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

........maybe Markov will let his agent do the negotiating next time, let the big boys handle it so his feelings don't get hurt.

Wow. You're a piece of work, grumpy. Markov was one of the rare lifers left in this league, yet you'll side with the clown in management

You don't like the Habs, really not as much as you looooove Bergevin. What is it you find in him? You like when he flexes his arms in every photo op where he's wearing a Tee? You like his Zoolanderish fashion sense? You'd die just for the sake of having him say your eugoogooly and attend the after funeral party?

 

[DaNaultinus]

good article comparing Rangers to Habs.......

Canadiens could learn from Rangers’ rebuild proclamation - Article - TSN

Classic quote from the article: "The Canadiens could learn from New York’s honest about-face. But in order to make a statement like the Rangers did on Thursday, the Canadiens will first have to come to terms with reality."

Pretty accurate summary of what MB has been unable to do during his tenure here.

 

[theghost1]

Montreal should have been one of the top 7 teams in the NHL this year if they had a GM with a brain and a spine.....the reason you traded for Weber and signed Price to an 8 year extension means you are building around them and going for it.....Bergevin could have been aggressive and make a trade for Schenn ....phone up his buddy Tallon and trade for Marchessault before the expansion draft,sign Radulov,sign Markov,do not sign Alzner,Hemsky,trade away Davidson but the coward did not do anything to suggest he was in win now mode.

 

[Kent Nilsson]

RDS is paying ~ $1.1M per game for the regional broadcast rights.

The Habs care, and won't tell them to 'pound salt' or restrict access.

In fact, you have to wonder if there's been a dialog between the two. Something along the lines of "we're paying a lot of money for television rights, you have to ensure there's a contingent of local players on the team. Someone the fans can listen to, relate to. Someone who we can interview on a regular basis." I wouldn't be surprised if this came up during negotiations.

This makes sense. Scary. Clearly both networks would not be enticed to bid as much on the next broadcast rights contract if the team is on an ongoing rebuild.

PKP-owned TVAS would probably push for even more pro-french if anything.

Damn being a fan of this team is depressing.

 

[Kent Nilsson]

Classic quote from the article: "The Canadiens could learn from New York’s honest about-face. But in order to make a statement like the Rangers did on Thursday, the Canadiens will first have to come to terms with reality."

Pretty accurate summary of what MB has been unable to do during his tenure here.

I wonder if Molson has even figured out Bergevin is completely inept yet. Thats just the first step. Then he has to bank the sunk cost of firing him, and hire another GM. Molson is not very keen at hiring to begin with, and then he can only chose a french guy. Meanwhile, the window to get rid of Price and Weber is very tight at best.

This is bad.

 

[Bryson]

My cousin was a reporter for 30 years. I have no sympathy for those who work in fear instead of work for the story. Especially not in sports. Try having your life threatened for writing stories on casinos. A little worse than having a piece of plastic revoked.

I do not pretend to judge nor do I know your cousin. Did he have a wife and children to look after? Did he have a right to put them in danger? This is a difficult moral decision.

The greatness of a man is not in how much wealth he acquires, but in his integrity and his ability to affect those around him positively.
- Bob Marley

“Every man must decide whether he will walk in the light of creative altruism or in the darkness of destructive selfishness.”
― Martin Luther King Jr.

The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.
-Martin Luther King, Jr.

Integrity. The choice between what's right and what's convenient.
-Tony Dungy

I still stand by my statement. We saw the Analytics guy Pfeffer, get fired and Michel Villeneuve get a gag order forced on him by the higher ups when he tried to break a story on Therrien and was subsequently fired. It is the institution that is preventing and punishing these gentlemen for speaking the truth when all they are trying to do is their job. The success and failures of the Montreal Canadiens do not fall on the backs of the media. That responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of the owner and GM, Geoff Molson and Marc Bergevin.

 

[Kent Nilsson]

Are you comparing Martin McGuire to Martin Luther King ?

 

[ItzaGreat]

Molson can stay, he's got 2 assets: a last name, and he's good at money.
He just needs to name a strong President of hockey operations (Quintal my choice ) who'll get the best GM available. (Maybe even a uni-anglo, since Quintal is bilingual?)

Molson can give himself the title of President of money.

 

[Price is Wright]

Yes my cousin is a mother. And yes it can be a difficult decision. But by not reporting accurately they are not doing their job. Not being honest is being dishonest. If they can't do the job, why should I have sympathy for them staying in the job? Go work somewhere in which you don't have to worry about that. Otherwise do your job and report accurately.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I do not pretend to judge nor do I know your cousin. Did he have a wife and children to look after? Did he have a right to put them in danger? This is a difficult moral decision.

The greatness of a man is not in how much wealth he acquires, but in his integrity and his ability to affect those around him positively.
- Bob Marley

“Every man must decide whether he will walk in the light of creative altruism or in the darkness of destructive selfishness.”
― Martin Luther King Jr.

The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.
-Martin Luther King, Jr.

Integrity. The choice between what's right and what's convenient.
-Tony Dungy

I still stand by my statement. We saw the Analytics guy Pfeffer, get fired and Martin McGuire (?) get a gag order forced on him by the higher ups when he tried to break a story on Therrien and was subsequently fired. It is the institution that is preventing and punishing these gentlemen for speaking the truth when all they are trying to do is their job. The success and failures of the Montreal Canadiens do not fall on the backs of the media. That responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of the owner and GM, Geoff Molson and Marc Bergevin.

Don't know about that story with McGuire and Therrien. The one I remember was Michel Villeneuve breaking out the "worst captain in Habs history" story. His bosses at the radio station were protecting until he said he had a bigger story, a bomb, and that he wouldnt reveal his sources. In all likelyhood he got bought out because the bomb never fell.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Yes my cousin is a mother. And yes it can be a difficult decision. But by not reporting accurately they are not doing their job. Not being honest is being dishonest. If they can't do the job, why should I have sympathy for them staying in the job? Go work somewhere in which you don't have to worry about that. Otherwise do your job and report accurately.

This is comical.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I do not pretend to judge nor do I know your cousin. Did he have a wife and children to look after? Did he have a right to put them in danger? This is a difficult moral decision.

The greatness of a man is not in how much wealth he acquires, but in his integrity and his ability to affect those around him positively.
- Bob Marley

“Every man must decide whether he will walk in the light of creative altruism or in the darkness of destructive selfishness.”
― Martin Luther King Jr.

The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.
-Martin Luther King, Jr.

Integrity. The choice between what's right and what's convenient.
-Tony Dungy

I still stand by my statement. We saw the Analytics guy Pfeffer, get fired and Martin McGuire (?) get a gag order forced on him by the higher ups when he tried to break a story on Therrien and was subsequently fired. It is the institution that is preventing and punishing these gentlemen for speaking the truth when all they are trying to do is their job. The success and failures of the Montreal Canadiens do not fall on the backs of the media. That responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of the owner and GM, Geoff Molson and Marc Bergevin.

In the interest of truth, the Athletic actually got a copy of the Subban-Weber report (which was not authored by Pfeffer). It:

A) was a comparison in the context of the World Cup and nothing else;
B) Thought Weber was a better fit for Team Canada (as a PK guy and D-zone guy) and graded the two pretty evenly;
C) 20 pages long;
D) Bergevin was already deep in negotiations with Poile at that point it was finished and likely didn't review it all that much; and
E) (Not in the Article, but from a couple of people who have seen it) there was apparently some questionable methodology to it.

The Habs still have a data literacy problem and are clearly under-invested there, but we should walk back some of the outrage with respect to the firing of Pfeffer (who was still against the trade). I suspect, based on what's publicly available, that it was less malicious and more lack of comfort with the use of the information.

 

[OldCraig71]

If the habs sign tavares this summer are they a contender?

No, the habs are not a contender.........................to sign Tavares.

 

[Censored Toad]

RDS is paying ~ $1.1M per game for the regional broadcast rights.

The Habs care, and won't tell them to 'pound salt' or restrict access.

In fact, you have to wonder if there's been a dialog between the two. Something along the lines of "we're paying a lot of money for television rights, you have to ensure there's a contingent of local players on the team. Someone the fans can listen to, relate to. Someone who we can interview on a regular basis." I wouldn't be surprised if this came up during negotiations.

I was not aware, thank you for providing that!

 

[Milhouse40]

I still stand by my statement. We saw the Analytics guy Pfeffer, get fired and Martin McGuire (?) get a gag order forced on him by the higher ups when he tried to break a story on Therrien and was subsequently fired. It is the institution that is preventing and punishing these gentlemen for speaking the truth when all they are trying to do is their job. The success and failures of the Montreal Canadiens do not fall on the backs of the media. That responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of the owner and GM, Geoff Molson and Marc Bergevin.

Right and wrong at the same time.

The Habs have been a poor organisation before Molson and Bergevin got here. It's been 25 years.
Either it was Molson or Gillett, Houle or Bergevin....they all had the same problem, made the same mistakes:

They listened too much to the French medias.

Casual fans (And that include a lot of my friends/co-workers/Family) don't follow the Habs as most of us.
They often, if not always, repeat the same BS they heard on the radio. I listened to the same shows that they
do so it's funny when they simply repeat to me what was said on the radio or TV. Words for words sometimes.

For the Habs, it's all about their image so they do listened a lot to what the medias are saying, suggesting and wants cause by affiliation, that's the same thing the fans are saying, suggesting and wants.

Therrien stayed too long? French medias loved him until the very end.
Desharnais should have been put aside for Galchenyuk? French medias loved DD at center a lot.

Historic meltdown, French medias trashed Subban and Eller more than anyone.
Following summer, Subban and Eller were the only one traded.

French medias wants french players. So even if all those names were the last type of players this team needed, they still trade/sign/extend Briere, Parenteau, Desharnais, Bouillon, Drouin, Danault, Deslauriers....Byron speaking french is simply a coincidence, just like another coincidence Mitchell was born in MTL. Let's waste a good pick on Zachary Fucale cause you know....french medias kept talking about him all year long as the next Roy, even if goaltending was the last thing this team needed. Let's waste a pick on Leblanc, f*** what the scout thinks, it's what the medias thinks that matters.

There's not ONE player, ONE coach, One General Manager, ONE scout that actually thinks that speaking french is a hockey skill and matters. Not ONE of them thinks that it matters where a player is coming from...then why it matters for this organisation....Cause the french medias think it matters and sold that idea to fans so this dumb organisation follow the Medias' idea.

If those medias were selling something else, then this organisation would follow too.
So it's the organisation's fault to listen too much to the medias.....but it's the medias' fault to keep selling a losing culture and false idealogy to the fans.

 

[Bryson]

Don't know about that story with McGuire and Therrien. The one I remember was Michel Villeneuve breaking out the "worst captain in Habs history" story. His bosses at the radio station were protecting until he said he had a bigger story, a bomb, and that he wouldnt reveal his sources. In all likelyhood he got bought out because the bomb never fell.

This is correct. It was Michel Villeneuve that I was thinking about, not McGuire. Will edit the post. Thanks.

 

[DXStriker]

Its really sad when you take a moment and reflect to what MB had as a team starting point in 2012 . MTL had to be a dream starting point in 2012 coming off that horrible year.

He had nowhere to go but up and he started good but then found ways to slowly destroy the team

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Molson u bloody moron if you are not going to go for it and win cups.....then gut the bloody team....trade everybody....and gut the bloody front office......what the bloody hell are you waiting for.

What we need to understand is that right now, let's say Julien Brisebois is our man for example. If you are Steve Yzerman, do you really let him leave 2 weeks before deadline? I'm pretty sure the answer is no. No club in the league will let their guys leave now after having worked all year for them and 2 weeks before deadline.
So we unfortunately need to be patient until the season is over and have our clown GM do the deadline

 

[SakuKoivu11]

I was watching the Vancouver Tampa game yesterday. Sergachev had some amazing moves. His game looks better and better. Keeping it simple in the defensive zone. Would be surprise if he’s a top 2 defenseman down the road.

Chelios
Desjardins
Schneider
Mcdonagh
Subban

We love giving top defenseman away.