Marc Andre Fleury?

[nuck]

A lot of people are speculating that MAF will be on the block so the Knights can sign Lehner. Seems obvious but the guy is turning 36 with 2 years @ $7M so who can deal with this with a flat cap and approaching expansion? Not many clubs, but since the Kings don't have a high value #2 to get plucked and Quick doesn't have a NM are they players?

Vegas has very few options and their late 1st doesn't seem like it would be near enough. Is that a move LA could or would do? What would the return be? If Vegas won a Cup or at least made the finals how much might the Knights pay to keep the band together? Two years of pain for Krebs +?

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[Sleeping Dog]

I was trying to think of a deal that would work, but couldn’t. Vegas would have to retain as much as the bylaws allow and give us 2 first round picks. But since they’ll probably be in the 25-32 range, I still don’t think it is worth it.

 

[AnThGrt]

Do not think LA does it as they have a Quick/Petersen split and likely want to give the reigns slowly to the latter. Would mean running 3 goalies.

That said no clue how it works, but if they retained a little and we could get Krebs+? I feel that needs to be looked at.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

A lot of people are speculating that MAF will be on the block so the Knights can sign Lehner. Seems obvious but the guy is turning 36 with 2 years @ $7M so who can deal with this with a flat cap and approaching expansion? Not many clubs, but since the Kings don't have a high value #2 to get plucked and Quick doesn't have a NM are they players?

Vegas has very few options and their late 1st doesn't seem like it would be near enough. Is that a move LA could or would do? What would the return be? If Vegas won a Cup or at least made the finals how much might the Knights pay to keep the band together? Two years of pain for Krebs +?

LA wouldn't be a player for MAF. They have the Quick/Petersen tandem. They are going to give Petersen the net. 50/50 this year and 70/30 the year after. Quick will be the goalie that they expose to Seattle next season (if Petersen keeps playing well). Petersen is the future of the Kings.

While MAF is still nice; LA isn't a likely destination. There will be other suitors for his services. I don't think LA will be big into the trade world this offseason due to cutting costs. They'll go after the cheaper UFAs on short term deal if they make any moves. Most of their moves will probably be pick trading at the draft.

And I'd much rather have Quick for 3yrs @ 5.8m than MAF for 2yrs @ 7m.

 

[Sleeping Dog]

And I'd much rather have Quick for 3yrs @ 5.8m than MAF for 2yrs @ 7m.

Really it is JQ at $3M in avg salary and $5.8 cap hit. Definitely worth it.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Really it is JQ at $3M in avg salary and $5.8 cap hit. Definitely worth it.

Yeah, the Kings are definitely not in any need for a veteran goalie when they got JQ cruising to retirement.

 

[Docgonzo]

While I’m fine taking a cap dump for a prospect like Krebs and especially the + I just don’t see how it’d work with MAF. I don’t think they’re be a lot of interest in Quick mainly due to health. And what are we supposed to do with 3 goalies?

 

[redcard]

Hard to say what AEG's financial situation is right now, if they're hurting significantly there's no way taking on cap dumps is going to fly, especially given that the team spent $10 mil on Kovalchuk.

That being said, we do have significant excess cap space and cap space will be very valuable during the flat cap, so if the organization is willing to use it to gain a competitive advantage I'm sure we could be an option.

Food for thought: Fleury buy out

SEASON	INITIAL BASE SALARY	INITIAL CAP HIT	SIGNING BONUS	BUYOUT COST	POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS	SAVINGS	CAP HIT ( VGK)
2020-21	$6,500,000	$7,000,000	$0	$2,083,333	$2,083,333	$4,416,667	$2,583,333
2021-22	$6,000,000	$7,000,000	$0	$2,083,333	$2,083,333	$3,916,667	$3,083,333
2022-23	$0	$0	$0	$2,083,333	$2,083,333	-$2,083,333	$2,083,333
2023-24	$0	$0	$0	$2,083,333	$2,083,333	-$2,083,333	$2,083,333
TOTAL	$12,500,000	$14,000,000	$0	$8,333,333	$8,333,333	$4,166,667	$9,833,332

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Just for numbers sake. The difference between the cap hit and the buyout cost is the recapture penalty, that would go to VGK even if another team bought him out, for us it would just be a flat $2,083,333 cap hit over 4 years. Now, I don't think we want to be buying out players and having that cap hit extend beyond the next 2 years. However, this is not a 35+ contract and we've now got a history of terminating contracts. If you buyout Fleury, he goes from making $12.5 mil over 2 years, to making $8.3 mil over 4 years, a pretty significant loss on his end. It may be possible to come to a mutual termination agreement where we skirt the rules of the standard buyout to give him more money up front (but still less than the current contract). I.E. offer him a mutual termination of $9 mil over 2 years rather than buying him out. Its not a 35+ contract, so my understanding is the cap hit would be equal to the agreed payment amount (plus the recapture penalty, but that would go to Vegas).

I'd be happy to pick up assets and try something like this, but of course I'm not (directly) footing the bill. I don't imagine Uncle Phil would be too eager to pay millions for another player not to play for us given that his revenue streams have got to be diminished right now.

 

[Token]

Hard to say what AEG's financial situation is right now, if they're hurting significantly there's no way taking on cap dumps is going to fly, especially given that the team spent $10 mil on Kovalchuk.

That being said, we do have significant excess cap space and cap space will be very valuable during the flat cap, so if the organization is willing to use it to gain a competitive advantage I'm sure we could be an option.

Food for thought: Fleury buy out

SEASON	INITIAL BASE SALARY	INITIAL CAP HIT	SIGNING BONUS	BUYOUT COST	POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS	SAVINGS	CAP HIT ( VGK)
2020-21	$6,500,000	$7,000,000	$0	$2,083,333	$2,083,333	$4,416,667	$2,583,333
2021-22	$6,000,000	$7,000,000	$0	$2,083,333	$2,083,333	$3,916,667	$3,083,333
2022-23	$0	$0	$0	$2,083,333	$2,083,333	-$2,083,333	$2,083,333
2023-24	$0	$0	$0	$2,083,333	$2,083,333	-$2,083,333	$2,083,333
TOTAL	$12,500,000	$14,000,000	$0	$8,333,333	$8,333,333	$4,166,667	$9,833,332

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Just for numbers sake. The difference between the cap hit and the buyout cost is the recapture penalty, that would go to VGK even if another team bought him out, for us it would just be a flat $2,083,333 cap hit over 4 years. Now, I don't think we want to be buying out players and having that cap hit extend beyond the next 2 years. However, this is not a 35+ contract and we've now got a history of terminating contracts. If you buyout Fleury, he goes from making $12.5 mil over 2 years, to making $8.3 mil over 4 years, a pretty significant loss on his end. It may be possible to come to a mutual termination agreement where we skirt the rules of the standard buyout to give him more money up front (but still less than the current contract). I.E. offer him a mutual termination of $9 mil over 2 years rather than buying him out. Its not a 35+ contract, so my understanding is the cap hit would be equal to the agreed payment amount (plus the recapture penalty, but that would go to Vegas).

I'd be happy to pick up assets and try something like this, but of course I'm not (directly) footing the bill. I don't imagine Uncle Phil would be too eager to pay millions for another player not to play for us given that his revenue streams have got to be diminished right now.

You are way overthinking this.

First, AEG doesn’t own the Kings for their operational revenue. Yeah, it’s a nice benefit when they play well and pack the house, turn a few buck s ... but it was all about the Kings value going from $100M to $900M in 25 years.

AEG bought the kings to develop DTLA and boy did that pay off many times over. The power of ownership is leveraging the King’s to build billion $$ projects.

But enough of that.

If Vegas were to legit offer Krebs to take the two years of 7M cap, a strictly business, cold and heartless GM does that in a millisecond.

Melnyk and Dorion would take Quick for one of their four 2nd round picks just because they are cheap and need the 2:1 cap leverage of Quicks final 3 years of cap hit.

Win - Win for everyone.

Vegas gets cap space and still has good prospects in the pipeline.

Sens get a goalie upgrade over old man Anderson and $3M funny money to reach the cap floor.

Kings get a comparable goalie as a 1B, a top blue-chip prospect, and pay an extra ~ $4M for that asset over just retiring Quick as a King.

It can be done, if the GM has the mojo.

 

[Bandit]

Nope.com

 

[Lt Dan]

this idea was a worse idea than Zima

 

[The Gabe Blade]

this idea was a worse idea than Zima

Zima was just ahead of its time.

 

[LAKings88]

I actually think some of the “playoff” teams this year could have done well if they had Quick instead of the refuse they put in nets.

 

[kovacro]

MAF to LA?

 

[Brodeur]

A lot of people are speculating that MAF will be on the block so the Knights can sign Lehner. Seems obvious but the guy is turning 36 with 2 years @ $7M so who can deal with this with a flat cap and approaching expansion? Not many clubs, but since the Kings don't have a high value #2 to get plucked and Quick doesn't have a NM are they players?

Vegas has very few options and their late 1st doesn't seem like it would be near enough. Is that a move LA could or would do? What would the return be? If Vegas won a Cup or at least made the finals how much might the Knights pay to keep the band together? Two years of pain for Krebs +?

Kings probably wouldn't make a best trade partner for Vegas. Off hand, I don't think Vegas will necessarily have to pay through the nose to unload his contract as it's not quite the same situation as Marleau last year where whoever traded for him knew he was never suiting up plus Toronto couldn't take any salary back.

Minnesota - Bill Guerin openly complained about his goalie situation. Guerin is also familiar with Fleury from their shared time together in Pittsburgh. They could send back Devan Dubnyk and Victor Rask who Vegas could subsequently buy out.

Edmonton - Maybe a swap of bad contracts? If they could get Mikko Koskinen and Kris Russell to waive their NTCs?

Calgary - Would need retention but they have an opening. Allegedly they looked at Fleury previously when he was being shopped by the Penguins, but the cap situation didn't work.

Buffalo/Detroit - They have the cap space but can't imagine Fleury waving his NTC to go there.

Ottawa - Probably should be lumped in with Buffalo/Detroit but maybe Fleury has a soft spot for Canada.

Carolina - Imagine they'll be shopping for a goalie in free agency, but who says no to a Fleury for Reimer swap?

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Just thinking out loud, but maybe these salary swaps would work:

Minnesota: G Marc-Andre Fleury (2x7)
Vegas: G Devan Dubnyk (1x4.333), C Victor Rask (2x4)

Edmonton: G Marc-Andre Fleury (2x7)
Vegas: G Mikko Koskinen (2x4.5), Kris Russell (1x4)

 

[Sol]

I'd rather die than see his obnoxiously huge set of teeth on this team.

 

[kilowatt]

If the Kings were to acquire assets for taking on Fleury's contract, and then acquire assets by retaining on his contract and trading him, I'm all for it.

But the only goaltender north of 30 that I want on this roster is Jonathan Quick.

 

[Stimpythecat]

i don't want any cap dumps. The Kings prospect pool is very good so there is no urgency to restock that way. Given all the cost cutting and current financial situation, I really don't want the Kings to take on any more player salary than necessary.

It will be interesting to see just how much the price to dump a player has increased from the pandemic.

 

[Sybil227]

I might consider this if we can make it a 3-way deal. Take MAF+1st (and maybe 2nd). Send Vegas' 1st+one of our 2nds, to a 3rd team to move down to the late teens (15-18) in the draft. But I feel this is just having fun playing games with numbers. It'll never happen.