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So let's just throw out all of the analytics that tell a different picture than your opinion?

Only 1 defensive pairing had bad analytics for series and that was Reilly/Hainsey....maybe the worst in the whole playoffs.

Why?

It can't be that they are going up against one if the best lines in hockey right? Just as advertised.

It just has to be Riellys 3 turnovers all series that are more important than the burned out Hainsey (and his 5 turnovers) next to him and the inept forward defense along with subpar Anderson.

Perhaps if they only could have had the 10 and 7 turnovers for Carlson and Orlov in only 6 games in the first round, they would be holding a cup right now right? I wonder if Holtby coming in for game 3 may have changed the series?

Turnovers and icings do matter in the grand scheme of things but even one of the other variables is so much more important (like the play of your keeper) that you are just grasping at straws with that kind of argument. The other Leafs pairings dominated the other side in almost every metric but (gasp) had higher turnover and icing metrics.
The capitals weren't hemmed in their own zone like the leafs were seemingly almost every other shift. They actually managed to get the puck out of their own zone instead of icing it over and over and over again.
 

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Rask didn't exactly stand on his head either. And either way you accuse the other poster of being "illogical" even though his argument is based on what happened here on the real world and yours is an unknowable hypothetical about a scenario where Andy plays better. The facts are not on your side.
Rask was much better then Andersen. The poster has called Matthews overrated, and said the Leafs arent veey good. I am justified in calling him illogical as thats the truth.
No it isnt. His arguments are completely made up. If Andy played better, the Leafs win. Nothing hypothetical about that. The facts are on my side.
 

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Rask was much better then Andersen. The poster has called Matthews overrated, and said the Leafs arent veey good. I am justified in calling him illogical as thats the truth.
No it isnt. His arguments are completely made up. If Andy played better, the Leafs win. Nothing hypothetical about that. The facts are on my side.

They aren't. In real life Boston beat Toronto. Obviously I disagree with the poster at every other turn but the Leafs did not play up to their potential in the playoffs, they weren't good enough, full stop.
 
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No they aren't. If the leafs were superior to the bruins, they would have placed higher that then in the regular season standings. If the leafs were superior to the bruins, they would have beat them. None of those things happened. It's quite unfortunate and idiotic that you actually believe the leafs are better than the bruins.

Yes they are. If the Bruins are better, they should have beat them during the regular season, and should have beat them in 5(I know all because of Andy, because thats your false belief). Its pretty sad and ignorant that you feel the Bruins are better
 

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That's horrific logic. The only reason the leafs managed to make it to 7 was because Andersen saved them in game 5 and 6. They would have been packing in 5 if it wasn't for him.
Its horrible logic because it goes against your agena. The only reason the Leafs lost was because of Andersen not playing well more then half the series. They would have won if it werent for him.
 

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The capitals weren't hemmed in their own zone like the leafs were seemingly almost every other shift. They actually managed to get the puck out of their own zone instead of icing it over and over and over again.

....so Holtby coming in and putting up stellar numbers wasn't the decisive factor? (Columbus won the possession battle in that series too).
 
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The Bruins seemed to get outplayed during the Lighting series. It showed the Bruins are a below average team. The stretch pass strategy by the Bruins completely failed, and they would have lost to the Leafs as well if Andersen played well.
 

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They aren't. In real life Boston beat Toronto. Obviously I disagree with the poster at every other turn but the Leafs did not play up to their potential in the playoffs, they weren't good enough, full stop.

Thats fair. However the Bruins werent better. In the end, it came down to a third period where Andersen didnt make enough saves.
 

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That's horrific logic. The only reason the leafs managed to make it to 7 was because Andersen saved them in game 5 and 6. They would have been packing in 5 if it wasn't for him.

He had a sub .900 sv% for most of the series. He played poorly, and well below his performance level during the regular season
 
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Leafs do not need to groom a coach to take over for Babcock. We are THE FRIGGIN LEAFS. Give me the best coach money can buy when it is time to replace Babs. You put a help wanted sign out with the job description and $6 million as the salary and watch the line form.
Other teams need to groom coaching successors.


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Yes they are. If the Bruins are better, they should have beat them during the regular season, and should have beat them in 5(I know all because of Andy, because thats your false belief). Its pretty sad and ignorant that you feel the Bruins are better
it really isn't sad and ignorant at all. whats sad and ignorant is that you are being extremely delusional that you are ignoring reality and somehow, someway the bruins are inferior to the leafs despite them having a better regular season record and outclassing us in the playoffs on top of that
 

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He had a sub .900 sv% for most of the series. He played poorly, and well below his performance level during the regular season
andersen was the sole reason the leafs went to a game 7 and he is gonna deliver poor performances from time to time, so it iisn't as if him preforming poorly in the playoffs was abnormal.
 

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The Bruins seemed to get outplayed during the Lighting series. It showed the Bruins are a below average team. The stretch pass strategy by the Bruins completely failed, and they would have lost to the Leafs as well if Andersen played well.
you mean the stretch pass play the leafs try to do over and over again? thats also a big factor as to why the leafs spend most of the period in their defensive zone.
 

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Thats fair. However the Bruins werent better. In the end, it came down to a third period where Andersen didnt make enough saves.
a period does not decide who is better or not. the leafs would have still been worse than the bruins if they didn't choke
 

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Its horrible logic because it goes against your agena. The only reason the Leafs lost was because of Andersen not playing well more then half the series. They would have won if it werent for him.
its not horrible logic at all. its the truth and you are being oblivious to it. if the leafs were truly a better team they would have outscored the bruins, or at the very least, outplay them. they did not do either of those things.
 

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it really isn't sad and ignorant at all. whats sad and ignorant is that you are being extremely delusional that you are ignoring reality and somehow, someway the bruins are inferior to the leafs despite them having a better regular season record and outclassing us in the playoffs on top of that
Yes it is. Whether you want to believe the facts, thats up to you. You are being delusional into believing the Bruins are better then the Leafs.
 

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andersen was the sole reason the leafs went to a game 7 and he is gonna deliver poor performances from time to time, so it iisn't as if him preforming poorly in the playoffs was abnormal.

Wrong. His playoff numbers were well down from his regular season numbers
 

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you mean the stretch pass play the leafs try to do over and over again? thats also a big factor as to why the leafs spend most of the period in their defensive zone.
No I mean the stretch pass which made the Bruins lose in 5 games.
 

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andersen was the sole reason the leafs went to a game 7 and he is gonna deliver poor performances from time to time, so it iisn't as if him preforming poorly in the playoffs was abnormal.

That's just false and I don't think you'd even hear Bruins fans say that which is saying something.
 

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its not horrible logic at all. its the truth and you are being oblivious to it. if the leafs were truly a better team they would have outscored the bruins, or at the very least, outplay them. they did not do either of those things.

Actually its not the truth, and your have trouble accepting that. The Leafs are better, as they outplayed the Bruins, and have more talent. They are better then them because of those things.
 

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Yes it is. Whether you want to believe the facts, thats up to you. You are being delusional into believing the Bruins are better then the Leafs.
no i'm not. thats absurd. how can you possibly believe the leafs are better than the bruins when they finished higher than us in the regular season, outscored and outworked us in the playoffs? you need to get a grip on reality
 

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Actually its not the truth, and your have trouble accepting that. The Leafs are better, as they outplayed the Bruins, and have more talent. They are better then them because of those things.
it is the truth. you haven't provided any evidence to support that the leafs are better than the bruins. saying "you're delusional" over and over without any evidence is extremely ironic.
 
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