Pavel Buchnevich
Drury and Laviolette Must Go
Watzke being selfish. Its going to make the team worse, but apparently that doesn't matter to him.
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Watzke being selfish. Its going to make the team worse, but apparently that doesn't matter to him.
Plenty of other clubs do a much better job in the transfer market with a lot less money to burn than Arsenal have.
Wenger's just really good at finding excuses for continuing to be such a loser.
If the club has to specifically point out in a press release that they didn't fire the manager because he didn't get along with club executives then they probably fired him because he didn't get along with club executives.
Watzke's letter more or less confirmed that. If Tuchel had done anything really wrong, you know the club would have already leaked it. To me it all looks like Watzke felt Tuchel didn't sufficiently cover for Watzke and Co.'s actions. Tuchel allowed the stories to circulate that some players were sold and some bought without his view given much consideration - Watzke inteprets it as Tuchel being disloyal. Tuchel criticized the Monaco re-scheduling, which everyone knew Watzke had to have agreed with, and Watzke's view of Tuchel as disloyal is further cemented.
Watzke may think that a manager reliably going along with the internally agreed upon party line is a professional requirement of the job. So maybe he thinks it isn't personal. But the reality is that a manager who covers for mistakes by the club leadership is screwed in the end either way. He's always the scapegoat anyway, so you can see why Tuchel didn't play footsoldier for Watzke.
It has become pretty obvious, that it is not just Watzke having problems with Tuchel but the latter having difficulties with many in the club. I mean he apparently hasn't talked to the chief scout for one and a half year, many of the players quite obviously don't like him and more such things.
If two managers lose the players, the manager is not the problem.
It's either the players or somebody upstairs planting thoughts in somebody's head.
Klopp stayed for 7 years and I don't think his end is even remotely similar - despite his comments that either he had to go or half the team would have to change.
Of course to every conflict there are two parties and it's usually not just one to blame, but when Tuchel has problems with so many people in the club, then apparently he is a problem. I really don't get how you can think that he was fired simply because Watzke didn't like him.
Who is telling us that so many people in the club didn't like him? Is it Watzke talking to journalists? Most players haven't spoken out one way or the other, and probably never will. I'm very skeptical of claims that most of the players are unhappy with him. The scouting staff is very important to the club, but Tuchel had little influence on any transfers or scouting anyway. Klopp probably only had a small influence before him as well.
Not just Watzke but pretty much any article (SZ, kicker, SpOn etc) about Tuchel in the last weeks mentions multiple internal conflicts with him.
I mean do you really think that Tuchel was just fired because Watzke didn't like him (due to his comments about the Monaco rescheduling or whatever) and all the other important person in the club (Zorc, Rauball, the supervisory board) just went along with no objection?
So, those are journalists who get their information from Watzke or had an anti-Tuchel agenda all along?
Zorc is quiet and never has much to say about any conflict. Rauball is even more removed from things that happen in the team than Watzke is. Ditto with the supervisory board. How tf are they supposed to know if he has lost the players? The strife with the scouting staff is real, but the story has been far too one-sided. Unfortunately with Tuchel out the damage has already been done and more details leaking will only mean more drama.
So Watzke has pretty much all journalists controlled?
Tuchel was undoubtedly successful, so I can't imagine nobody asking if Watzke suddenly wants to fire him. You can believe that they went along because they also think it's the only way to go - after all it's Zorc's job on the line in the end as well if the next manager flops. And of course there is a risk, Tuchel was good when considering the footballing aspect only.
Well Tuchel certainly isn't talking to journalists. And for the most part the players don't, either. Kicker and Süddeutsche Zeitung are the biggest Watzke mouthpieces, and both ran long anti-Tuchel campaigns that date back many months. Why would Zorc's job be on the line, exactly? He'd be the last guy I'd fire along with the scouting staff.
Well, if you are convinced that all that Tuchel did was not getting along with Watzke, nothing will change your opinion I guess.
And of course Zorc's job would be on the line, he was pretty close to getting fired right before Klopp came.
I never said that. Actually, I said the conflict with Mislintat was real. The difficulties with the players was probably real as well, but we'll never know how, because all these stories have been given an anti-Tuchel spin.
Before Klopp came? So 9 years ago?
So there have been multiple documented conflicts with Tuchel and other persons in the club. That alone shows me that there were legitimate reasons to end it and I trust Watzke with that - after all he has done more than enough for the club since 2005.
Yes 9 years ago, because they did not have success. But what do you think happens if the new manager(s) miss the CL twice in a row? There will be a lot of questions asked.
Not to me. Those people can wait another year until Tuchel is out - especially the non-player personnel. Look at how Bayern - a club I never hoped would have less drama than BVB - handled Guardiola's conflict with the team doctor and allegedly with some players, or how they'll apparently handle the cases of Kimmich and other players who are unhappy with playing time under Ancelotti. They'll hold onto the players who will outlast the manager without undermining the manager in the short-term. They didn't force Guardiola out, and if they force Ancelotti out, it will probably be due to his failures on the field than off.
Asked of Zorc? Not as I see his role in the club.
I didn't read about many problems that Guardiola had apart from the conflict with the team doctor. Maybe they simply better managed to keep it quiet, but I don't think it compares to this situation.
It has become pretty obvious, that it is not just Watzke having problems with Tuchel but the latter having difficulties with many in the club. I mean he apparently hasn't talked to the chief scout for one and a half year, many of the players quite obviously don't like him and more such things.