Management Thread: There Is No Hope

[I am toxic]

'refuse to acknowledge that Benning inherited a stocked prospect pool - speaks volumes.'

This is simply a difference of opinion. Imo Benning did not inherit a very good stock of prospects, and an argument can be made that he didn't get a lot to work with. It's like you are saying refuse to acknowledge that I'm right and you're wrong. It's a difference of opinion.

No.

If I say that human caused climate change is a fact, and someone else disagrees, that's not a difference of opinions.

They're just wrong, and either willfully promoting a false agenda, or ignorantly duped into repeating one.

 

[Fire Benning]

The problem is Quinn Hughes is trotted around this market like a franchise changing player when he's more likely a Kevin Shattenkirk or Keith Yandle guy going forward. It gives people this idea that Benning is a GOAT drafter (AINEC) !!!

 

[Bubbles]

Yeah I agree i regret posting those tweets now. Sorry guys i will delete them

Considering Tortorella only rented on Point Roberts.

And unless these "sources" at YVR are serious hockey people, who could pick Jeff Gorton from a lineup?

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

'refuse to acknowledge that Benning inherited a stocked prospect pool - speaks volumes.'

This is simply a difference of opinion. Imo Benning did not inherit a very good stock of prospects, and an argument can be made that he didn't get a lot to work with. It's like you are saying refuse to acknowledge that I'm right and you're wrong. It's a difference of opinion.

i agree, he didn't inherit a "very good" stock of prospects. but he certainly inherited something. horvat, marky, tanev, and kassian were all 24 or younger, eddie lack was 26, only one year older than demko is now. there is significant value there.

but just as importantly, benning had these assets (and more) at his disposal—

kesler, who would be a selke finalist in two of the next three seasons and go to game 6 and game 7 of the WCF

garrison, who would be tampa's #3 for the next two years, reaching the finals in year one, and game 7 of the ECF in year two

kesler was traded for bonino, who in the two years after he was traded scored 25 points over back-to-back cup runs

him turning that into sbisa, gudbranson/pearson, and linden vey is on him.

 

[Hit the post]

i agree, he didn't inherit a "very good" stock of prospects. but he certainly inherited something. horvat, marky, tanev, and kassian were all 24 or younger, eddie lack was 26, only one year older than demko is now. there is significant value there.

but just as importantly, benning had these assets (and more) at his disposal—

kesler, who would be a selke finalist in two of the next three seasons and go to game 6 and game 7 of the WCF

garrison, who would be tampa's #3 for the next two years, reaching the finals in year one, and game 7 of the ECF in year two

kesler was traded for bonino, who in the two years after he was traded scored 25 points over back-to-back cup runs

him turning that into sbisa, gudbranson/pearson, and linden vey is on him.

Didn't have *all* or most the default draft picks at his disposal (ie., Gillis didn't mortgage away the future by dealing all of the picks that Benning could've otherwise used). Actually, it seems like Benning, managing a rebuilding team, has dealt away more picks during his tenure than Gillis.

 

[bandwagonesque]

No.

If I say that human caused climate change is a fact, and someone else disagrees, that's not a difference of opinions.

This is true. I think the disconnect here is that you aren't saying climate change is a fact but that Benning inherited a stocked prospect pool.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Is Taj a trusted source here now? Mods?

No.

What he does - most of the time - is posts what he hears on the radio. He largely does fairly faithful transcriptions of radio hits.

But he is not a source.

 

[xtra]

Well, yes imo the draft has given the team a good young talent pool to work with moving forward. Whether it Benning or a potato, whether Benning's a mad genius or it's just pure luck, the team has rebuilt (imo). The next GM to come in will have lots of good pieces to work with imo.

we don’t have a number one dman; we don’t have a number one goalie and our best center/ franchise player has missed on average 18 games a year in his first 3 seasons and can legit be considered injury prone at this point so how have we rebuilt?

our best winger is going to need a qualifying offer on 7.5 million next off season if I’m not mistaken so yea I don’t see us as rebuilt.

full disclosure I’ll bet that horvat and or Miller aren’t on this team after the deadline next season so that’s why I’m not counting them

 

[logan5]

we don’t have a number one dman; we don’t have a number one goalie and our best center/ franchise player has missed on average 18 games a year in his first 3 seasons and can legit be considered injury prone at this point so how have we rebuilt?

our best winger is going to need a qualifying offer on 7.5 million next off season if I’m not mistaken so yea I don’t see us as rebuilt.

full disclosure I’ll bet that horvat and or Miller aren’t on this team after the deadline next season so that’s why I’m not counting them

Then I guess you better hope that the GM that comes in will trade Pettersson Hughes and Demko for 1st round draft picks so he can start rebuilding all over again. It would be a huge gamble to give up on those players to try and improve on them though.

That's not the route I would want to take.

 

[tradervik]

I don’t think Courtnall is interested in being the PHO, but how about he takes a small ownership position in the club and replaces FAQ as the chairman? The Aquilinis can fade into the background, which I think they might prefer.

 

[xtra]

Then I guess you better hope that the GM that comes in will trade Pettersson Hughes and Demko for 1st round draft picks so he can start rebuilding all over again. It would be a huge gamble to give up on those players to try and improve on them though.

That's not the route I would want to take.

so on a roster of 21 players you think having those 3 alone is considered rebuilt?

 

[rypper]

I don’t think Courtnall is interested in being the PHO, but how about he takes a small ownership position in the club and replaces FAQ as the chairman? The Aquilinis can fade into the background, which I think they might prefer.

I doubt that's what Francesco prefers, but perhaps Luigi can convince him that's what is best.

 

[logan5]

so on a roster of 21 players you think having those 3 alone is considered rebuilt?

No. I brought those 3 up because that's the areas you brought up. It sounded like you weren't happy with Pettersson, no #1 D, and goaltending. The only way to address those concerns would be to trade those guys. I could be misinterpreting what you said though.

How would you start a new rebuild?

 

[valkynax]

No. I brought those 3 up because that's the areas you brought up. It sounded like you weren't happy with Pettersson, no #1 D, and goaltending. The only way to address those concerns would be to trade those guys. I could be misinterpreting what you said though.

How would you start a new rebuild?

Fire Benning.

 

[logan5]

Fire Benning.

That's the presumption in a new rebuild.

Would you start a new rebuild?

 

[valkynax]

That's the presumption in a new rebuild.

Would you start a new rebuild?

We can keep the young core pieces, such as Horvat Hughes Boeser Pete and Hoglander, along with Demko.

Miller, MAYBE.

Everyone else is expendable.

A GM who's not a gibbering lunatic would help a lot.

 

[Melvin]

We can keep the young core pieces, such as Horvat Hughes Boeser Pete and Hoglander, along with Demko.

Miller, MAYBE.

Everyone else is expendable.

A GM who's not a gibbering lunatic would help a lot.

we’re reaching a point where you have to start looking at trading Horvat if contending isn’t in the near future.

 

[logan5]

We can keep the young core pieces, such as Horvat Hughes Boeser Pete and Hoglander, along with Demko.

Miller, MAYBE.

Everyone else is expendable.

A GM who's not a gibbering lunatic would help a lot.

That's fine. I like Motte though too. He's still fairly young.

 

[Petey O]

we’re reaching a point where you have to start looking at trading Horvat if contending isn’t in the near future.

It's absolutely ridiculous that this has to be true, but it is.

 

[valkynax]

we’re reaching a point where you have to start looking at trading Horvat if contending isn’t in the near future.

Trading a captain beloved by all might be a bad move. But I agree that timeline is starting to add urgency to our so-called cup window.

Thanks Jim for setting the team up to potentially waste the prime years of our beloved captain.

 

[xtra]

No. I brought those 3 up because that's the areas you brought up. It sounded like you weren't happy with Pettersson, no #1 D, and goaltending. The only way to address those concerns would be to trade those guys. I could be misinterpreting what you said though.

How would you start a new rebuild?

when you say Has it generally means in the past this meaning it’s complete which is ridiculous.

I never said we had to trade any of them just that we don’t have a 1d/1g/1c which should be the aim of any rebuild.

 

[tradervik]

I doubt that's what Francesco prefers, but perhaps Luigi can convince him that's what is best.

Luigi can make Francisco an offer he can’t refuse.

 

[rypper]

Luigi can make Francisco an offer he can’t refuse.

On this, the day of my daughters wedding.

 

[logan5]

when you say Has it generally means in the past this meaning it’s complete which is ridiculous.

I never said we had to trade any of them just that we don’t have a 1d/1g/1c which should be the aim of any rebuild.

Ok, fair enough. How would you go about acquiring these pieces? I guess you would be counting on being in a high draft position for the next 3 or 4 drafts? I think the Canucks will at least be good enough to finish above the bottom 12 (actually a lot higher than that), so it will make it difficult to get these types of players. Imo.

 

[Grub]

The problem is Quinn Hughes is trotted around this market like a franchise changing player when he's more likely a Kevin Shattenkirk or Keith Yandle guy going forward. It gives people this idea that Benning is a GOAT drafter (AINEC) !!!

Wow a new Member. Welcome my friend welcome. We haven’t had one in ages, Benning ensured that. I’m sure once proper new management comes in this place will be lively and kicking again.