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[Pastor Of Muppetz]

And let's not forget EP wasn't the player he wanted to draft anyway. He wanted Glass.

Yawn..........this again?....This has been done to death in other previous threads...Basically assumptions, made up as facts.

 

[arttk]

Yawn..........this again?....This has been done to death in other previous threads.

And you guys refuse to acknowledge it because it hurts

 

[Fire Benning]

I see our old friend has returned.

 

[xtra]

And let's not forget EP wasn't the player he wanted to draft anyway. He wanted Glass.

Hold up let’s not write Glass off yet. He’s done some amazing things in the CHL and early in the AHL he could be just as good as pettersson

 

[Hansen]

Is there weight to this rumour that Loui Eriksson blocked a trade to Edmonton for Lucic and Puljujarvi?

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Is there weight to this rumour that Loui Eriksson blocked a trade to Edmonton for Lucic and Puljujarvi?

At the TDL last season I believe.

 

[Hansen]

At the TDL last season I believe.

f*** me. Might have saved us, that Lucic deal is ugly, but I really like Jesse Puljujarvi. I think that playing with Elias Pettersson might have been just what he needed

 

[Melvin]

Is there weight to this rumour that Loui Eriksson blocked a trade to Edmonton for Lucic and Puljujarvi?

Never heard that pulju was involved. Dan Murphy did report that Loui blocked some form of Lucic trade.

 

[MS]

And you guys refuse to acknowledge it because it hurts

Imagine spending over 5 years defending a guy failing as bad as this and clinging onto the two best (only?) good things he's done in Pettersson and Boeser ... and one of those guys he didn't want to draft and was overruled and the other was only drafted as a backup plan to dealing that pick away in a franchise-crippling deal for Milan Lucic that he thought had sorted only to be outbid.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

**** me. Might have saved us, that Lucic deal is ugly, but I really like Jesse Puljujarvi. I think that playing with Elias Pettersson might have been just what he needed

Sorry,I was just about to edit..I believe he nixed a deal with the Oilers, but not certain what the return was (thats speculation)

 

[MS]

Is there weight to this rumour that Loui Eriksson blocked a trade to Edmonton for Lucic and Puljujarvi?

I've heard nothing about Puljujarvi being involved or what the sweetener was either way. But yes, Eriksson blocked a deal to Edmonton for Lucic.

 

[Josepho]

Hold up let’s not write Glass off yet. He’s done some amazing things in the CHL and early in the AHL he could be just as good as pettersson

writing off players is only fair if it fits my narrative

 

[arttk]

Imagine spending over 5 years defending a guy failing as bad as this and clinging onto the two best (only?) good things he's done in Pettersson and Boeser ... and one of those guys he didn't want to draft and was overruled and the other was only drafted as a backup plan to dealing that pick away in a franchise-crippling deal for Milan Lucic that he thought had sorted only to be outbid.

I don’t even know why at this point anyone wants to keep Benning around. It’s almost like not being wrong is more important than having your team being better off. It’s ducking stupid.

 

[xtra]

So eriksson saved benning from benning.

 

[bandwagonesque]

Imagine spending over 5 years defending a guy failing as bad as this and clinging onto the two best (only?) good things he's done in Pettersson and Boeser ... and one of those guys he didn't want to draft and was overruled and the other was only drafted as a backup plan to dealing that pick away in a franchise-crippling deal for Milan Lucic that he thought had sorted only to be outbid.

GMs have final say over who gets drafted, can't be overruled by anyone, and draft the players they eventually conclude will help the team and by extension their job security the most. Benning listened to his scouts and chose to draft Pettersson. You can argue all you want about the significance of this, but it's what happened.

 

[Diamonddog01]

Yawn..........this again?....This has been done to death in other previous threads...Basically assumptions, made up as facts.

Yup. Until there is an actual credible source for this it’s complete horse****

 

[I in the Eye]

So eriksson saved benning from benning.

And, previously, Lucic saved Benning from Benning.

 

[MS]

GMs have final say over who gets drafted, can't be overruled by anyone, and draft the players they eventually conclude will help the team and by extension their job security the most. Benning listened to his scouts and chose to draft Pettersson. You can argue all you want about the significance of this, but it's what happened.

Benning absolutely answered to Trevor Linden at that point and absolutely could be overruled by him. And reportedly what happened is that there was a deadlock and heavy debate between the WHL scouts (including Benning's son) who Benning was siding with and the rest of the staff led by Brackett and Gradin who wanted Pettersson, and Linden moderated and went with Brackett. And then publicly came out after the draft crediting Brackett and his hard work for the pick while omitting any mention of Benning.

 

[xtra]

So is there a tweet recently or something from
Murph cause I couldn’t find anything

 

[Melvin]

So is there a tweet recently or something from
Murph cause I couldn’t find anything

There was. It looks like he deleted it.

 

[F A N]

Benning absolutely answered to Trevor Linden at that point and absolutely could be overruled by him. And reportedly what happened is that there was a deadlock and heavy debate between the WHL scouts (including Benning's son) who Benning was siding with and the rest of the staff led by Brackett and Gradin who wanted Pettersson, and Linden moderated and went with Brackett. And then publicly came out after the draft crediting Brackett and his hard work for the pick while omitting any mention of Benning.

Source?

Benning hasn't been "credited" publicly for any pick, except maybe Gunnarsson.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I recall this whole “Benning didn’t want Pettersson” line of conversation occurring here, but I can’t remember what the source was on it.

 

[MS]

I recall this whole “Benning didn’t want Pettersson” line of conversation occurring here, but I can’t remember what the source was on it.

JD Burke in an interview on these boards plus a source @Jyrki21 trusts quoting a high-profile individual inside the scouting staff. I wouldn’t take the 2nd source on its own but when it confirms another accredited media source it’s hard to discount.

Plus this wasn’t out of left field. A few of us had been speculating this was the case for a year based on the circumstantial evidence and then had it confirmed.

 

[arttk]

GMs have final say over who gets drafted, can't be overruled by anyone, and draft the players they eventually conclude will help the team and by extension their job security the most. Benning listened to his scouts and chose to draft Pettersson. You can argue all you want about the significance of this, but it's what happened.

Of course GM’s can be overruled, there is something called an owner and a team president who are the GM’s boss. Linden, aka Benning’s boss, overruled him and drafted Peterson. Not hard to understand.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

JD Burke in an interview on these boards plus a source @Jyrki21 trusts quoting a high-profile individual inside the scouting staff. I wouldn’t take the 2nd source on its own but when it confirms another accredited media source it’s hard to discount.

Plus this wasn’t out of left field. A few of us had been speculating this was the case for a year based on the circumstantial evidence and then had it confirmed.

Well - personally I would be more inclined to believe Jyrki than JD Burke. Burke seems like a nice fellow, but I can’t recall him ever legitimately breaking a story. His claim to fame in my mind is the “Miller for the 9th overall” proposal which frankly sounds unbelievable.

I don’t know. The sources on this particular story seem like a bit of stretch - and both of those stories seem so significant, it would boggle my mind that McKenzie, Friedman or even our own local rumour sleuth Dhaliwal didn’t pick up on it.

TL;DR - plenty of valid, credible reasons to hate on the work Jim has done in Vancouver. My personal opinion is that this one is a bit thin.