Management Thread | Is a Reckoning coming?

[I am toxic]

If we can have a normal conversation for a bit here... For the new GM, is it not a fact that most of these bad contracts/buyouts/recapture come off the books next year and the year after? IMO that is fairly manageable for the new GM and shouldn’t hinder him too much.

Wtf?

I am here engaging in good faith honest debate. Your poorly veiled attempt at insult and suppression of debate would not be appreciated.

Except it is, because I am tox . . . well, you know . . .


Yeah, I noticed those weasel words. Like I predicted in a previous post.

 

[RebuildinVan]

I strongly advise you to avoid looking at this.

Again view this at your own peril:

List of Vancouver Canucks draft picks - Wikipedia

Harold Snepts a 4th round steal in '74!

 

[Canucker]

Some quotes from Courtnall on the current situation.

This really sounds like a guy who wants a job and is trying to position himself into one. He pretty much read off his resume.

 

[M2Beezy]

Wtf?

I am here engaging in good faith honest debate. Your poorly veiled attempt at insult and suppression of debate would not be appreciated.

Except it is, because I am tox . . . well, you know . . .


Yeah, I noticed those weasel words. Like I predicted in a previous post.

Ive noticed these are the last few days of desperate defense of GM Benning by the handful remaining of his supporters. Ive noticed it get uglier. The end is near. It has to be near, Canucks fans deserve better than this seven years of destruction of our team

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

This really sounds like a guy who wants a job and is trying to position himself into one. He pretty much read off his resume.

That’s how I took it as well.

 

[Gstank]

I hope Aquillini promotes Benning to President of Hockey Ops and hired a new Gm just to mess with everyone on this board. The backlash will keep me entertained for weeks

 

[Johnny Canucker]

This really sounds like a guy who wants a job and is trying to position himself into one. He pretty much read off his resume.

His resume as someone in business is in logging and mining.

so of course we will hire him to run a hockey team.

 

[TraderJim]

I hope Aquillini promotes Benning to President of Hockey Ops and hired a new Gm just to mess with everyone on this board. The backlash will keep me entertained for weeks

K

 

[Johnny Canucker]

He’s not wrong. We don’t have a problem. We have no money to spend ... ergo no problem.
But really who needs to add pieces. This team is clearly good enough as is.

 

[Hit the post]

LOL yeah I found that a bit weird as well. Reading the article, it says Delorme was at the Ivan Hlinka when he first saw him. Delorme probably just said "This kid looks good in practise" and then Benning eats it up. Same guy that said "Peterson" a few times after saying Petterson at the announcement.

The Ivan Hlinka tournament is well known to scouts anyways.

Speaking of Hlinka (rip), weird how he actually was sort in contention for the Calder (to which Hlinka made a joke about it "yeah, 30+ year old rookie ) in that first year year in the NHL. Not surprising though his fellow countryman, Bubla seemed to acclimate to the North American game at that time (the old "clutching & grabbing). I remember Bubla's method of fighting was to just grab a player & give him a 'bear hug' ala pro wrestling style! Bruno Summartino (sp?) would be proud!

And a testimate of how good a human being Pat Quinn was. Got Bubla a janitorial job at the Pacific Coliseum after Bubla was released from prison (drug smuggling conviction) & the guy was able to get his life sorted out.

 

[Canucker]

His resume as someone in business is in logging and mining.

so of course we will hire him to run a hockey team.

Of course this is not an ideal situation in a normal world...but, if we're stuck with Francesco as a meddling owner, which we likely are...Courtnall may be the best option...*IF* he has a solid, "tell it like it is" relationship with Aquilini, he may be able to "steer" Francesco rather than be railroaded or coerced.

However, I'm definitely concerned about past Courtnall's history though...if there is anything there, it WILL be brought up and picked at...this day in age, and in this market NOTHING goes under the radar...then we will have another nightmarish scenario tarnish the organization even further.

 

[VanJack]

Ive noticed these are the last few days of desperate defense of GM Benning by the handful remaining of his supporters. Ive noticed it get uglier. The end is near. It has to be near, Canucks fans deserve better than this seven years of destruction of our team

I agree....I have no idea why the idea of replacing the GM, which is a normal occurrence in every other NHL market which fails to reach franchise expectations, is the source of so much angst and recrimination in this market.

But it was the same thing when Mike Gillis walked the plank.....years later, some posters are still divided into 'pro' and 'anti' Gillis camps. Lost in the debate is that Gillis hasn't been hired by anybody since.

So regardless of your opinion of Benning, if he's ousted after seven years on the job it's nothing personal. He just didn't win enough games or manage the salary cap very well.

 

[m9]

I don’t think we are 2 year away…. Reckoning will come in 2 years because Miller won’t re-sign and Horvat is going to demand term and money to stick around. Schmidt will probably decline soon so we’ll need 1 if not 2 top4 RD. We’ll need a good 3rd line guy and a top6 winger and it’s going to a lot of shrewd cap management to create space and get those pieces filled while maintaining a pipeline of prospects since we will need like 1 ELC guy to come in and contribute every year.

Best thing to do is to cut the cord and trade Miller for Newhook so at least we will have a cost controlled 3rd/2nd center behind Horvat and Petey. If we are going to suck next year anyways, might mot be a bad idea to trade him away, get a top4 D from the rangers or Chytil + prospect and extend the compete window when it opens up

Miller and Horvat re-signing aren't even that big of a deal. They should get paid appropriately or they should be moved on from if they can't come to terms. Both need to be done the off-season prior and no more waiting around until the last minute so we can watch assets bleed away into nothing. Paying good players the money that they are worth should never really be a concern if you have a capable GM.

Getting a 3rd line center is the top priority to me. Then, a right-side defenseman who has top-four upside. In all of the mess of this year as well, it's kind of forgotten how bad of a year it was in terms of progression for both EP and Hughes. If these guys are going to be very good/great players instead of elite players then the future will be much bleaker.

 

[Petey O]

I hope Aquillini promotes Benning to President of Hockey Ops and hired a new Gm just to mess with everyone on this board. The backlash will keep me entertained for weeks

If that happens I genuinely hope the franchise moves to Quebec.

 

[valkynax]

He’s not wrong. We don’t have a problem. We have no money to spend ... ergo no problem.
But really who needs to add pieces. This team is clearly good enough as is.

Haha reminds me of Stalin's quote: Death solves all problems. No man, no problem.


God, I'd normally say this guy talks with his foot in his mouth but...I think there needs to be a whole new concept invented to describe what a horrible speaker Benning has been.

On top of many, many, many, MANY other issues.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

I hope Aquillini promotes Benning to President of Hockey Ops and hired a new Gm just to mess with everyone on this board. The backlash will keep me entertained for weeks

And the on-ice product will prevent you from being entertained for years.

 

[geebaan]

The only thing that would have me even slightly interested in next season is Bennings exit.

 

[TraderJim]

And the on-ice product will prevent you from being entertained for years.

They don't care. They don't give a shit if their house burns down as long as the people they don't like are in the house with them.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

So Minnesota just won the first game of their series. This is a team that didn't start rebuilding until around the 2019 TDL. They're already ahead of us in contending, and we're in our SIXTH year of rebuilding. This is f***ing stupid

 

[Melvin]

I am personally of the opinion that under the current CBA, any good GM should be able to turn any franchise around in <= years. I have absolutely no problem holding the next GM to that standard, regardless of what Benning leaves him.

 

[ProstheticConscience]

I hope Aquillini promotes Benning to President of Hockey Ops and hired a new Gm just to mess with everyone on this board. The backlash will keep me entertained for weeks

Yeah, who gives a shit if the team's f***ed. The important thing is you get your jollies reading angry replies on the internet.

 

[TraderJim]

Probably shouldn't feed the troll.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

The only thing that would have me even slightly interested in next season is Bennings exit.

The following combo would make me actually pretty optimistic for next season:

-Benning and Weisbrod fired;
-Competent and experienced President and GM hired;
-Draft high enough to get a top 4 dman, ideally NHL ready next season (top 5 pick)
-Podkolzin looking like a good top 9 winger
-Unexpected developmental jump from one prospect in becoming an NHLer (e.g. Gadjovich/Lockwood lock down a bottom 6 role);
-New GM makes a cap-savvy moves and brings in an impact player (via free agency or trade).

If even half of these things happen, maybe next season doesn't look so bad after all.

 

[canucksfan]

So Minnesota just won the first game of their series. This is a team that didn't start rebuilding until around the 2019 TDL. They're already ahead of us in contending, and we're in our SIXTH year of rebuilding. This is f***ing stupid

Rebuilding in the NHL doesn't take long when done properly.

 

[Melvin]

Rebuilding in the NHL doesn't take long when done properly.

Remember when we finished in 29th and the only worse team was the Avalanche with some ridiculous total, 48 points or something like that? Hmmm. Makes you think. Or, it should.