Management Thread | Edge of the day AFTER Tomorrow

[Canuck86]

The Habs signed Edmundson after trading a 5th rounder for his rights. Will that deal presage any more like it? Will Benning try to get something for any of the pending UFAs?

It would make sense to if he tables his best offer and a player declines why not move their rights for something...but he never did that in years past so can't see him getting smart all of a sudden. Just hope he can shed some unnecessary salary this off season so he can try and improve our team for next year, we bring back the same cast basically and we are in tough to make the playoffs potentially if other teams around us make some improvements

 

[tradervik]

Are there legit rumours indicating the Canucks are interested in Dumba or is it just fan projection? When I hear the Canucks are interested in a player, I'm reminded of this quote from Botchford just over 2 years ago:

Benning and John Weisbrod have been chasing big names for years. [The Erik Karlsson rumour] was just more of the same.

In just the past two years alone, the Canucks “checked in” on Tyson Barrie, Milan Lucic, Evander Kane, Noah Hanifin, Jeff Skinner, Steven Stamkos and PK Subban. The public pursuit of the last two players on the list led to Benning being fined by the league for tampering.

Benning and Weisbrod want to be in on everything they can so they spend a lot time making deals with themselves, one person in the NHL put it.​

 

[Jack Burton]

Oh Jimmy.

So much work to do.















It was nice knowing you but time to go.

 

[topched88]

This is going to be it guys. This is going to the the brightest it looks. I think bennings going to autograph killing this teams window over the next 3 months

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Are there legit rumours indicating the Canucks are interested in Dumba or is it just fan projection? When I hear the Canucks are interested in a player, I'm reminded of this quote from Botchford just over 2 years ago:

Benning and John Weisbrod have been chasing big names for years. [The Erik Karlsson rumour] was just more of the same.

In just the past two years alone, the Canucks “checked in” on Tyson Barrie, Milan Lucic, Evander Kane, Noah Hanifin, Jeff Skinner, Steven Stamkos and PK Subban. The public pursuit of the last two players on the list led to Benning being fined by the league for tampering.

Benning and Weisbrod want to be in on everything they can so they spend a lot time making deals with themselves, one person in the NHL put it.​

There are legit rumors.

I still wonder if they're not interested in Subban. Package Eriksson and Beagle together and there is a zero net cap increase and New Jersey saves something like $10M cash.

 

[Canucks1096]

It would make sense to if he tables his best offer and a player declines why not move their rights for something...but he never did that in years past so can't see him getting smart all of a sudden. Just hope he can shed some unnecessary salary this off season so he can try and improve our team for next year, we bring back the same cast basically and we are in tough to make the playoffs potentially if other teams around us make some improvements

Trading the players rights is actually not very common. I don't even need to check the nhl trade list to know there are only probably a couple of these type of trades happened each year. So I guess a lot of gms are actually not very smart. Maybe you're smarter that most gms. I think it's not very common because teams get to talk to the player a week before free agent starts.

 

[Lonny Bohonos]

Are there legit rumours indicating the Canucks are interested in Dumba or is it just fan projection? When I hear the Canucks are interested in a player, I'm reminded of this quote from Botchford just over 2 years ago:

Benning and John Weisbrod have been chasing big names for years. [The Erik Karlsson rumour] was just more of the same.

In just the past two years alone, the Canucks “checked in” on Tyson Barrie, Milan Lucic, Evander Kane, Noah Hanifin, Jeff Skinner, Steven Stamkos and PK Subban. The public pursuit of the last two players on the list led to Benning being fined by the league for tampering.

Benning and Weisbrod want to be in on everything they can so they spend a lot time making deals with themselves, one person in the NHL put it.​

Ha ha ouch.

 

[Jack Burton]

Honestly, I don't think Jimmy can do much.

It's going to be Markstrom or Toffoli and that's about it. I'd be very surprised if we sign a couple of FA given the cap.

Virtanen is definitely on the trade list and troy will only get a qualifying offer.

I know a lot of posters want our bottom garbage to be moved ( even at hearty price) but I just don't see it. Benning believes in this team and given what just happened in the playoffs, he's going to want to keep it intact.

We're going to run with pretty much the same roster as we saw in the playoffs

 

[Jyrki21]

Trading the players rights is actually not very common. I don't even need to check the nhl trade list to know there are only probably a couple of these type of trades happened each year. So I guess a lot of gms are actually not very smart. Maybe you're smarter that most gms. I think it's not very common because teams get to talk to the player a week before free agent starts.

As has been repeatedly noted here, the negotiation week was cut out of the current CBA, so we are back to ripe conditions for trading negotiating rights. And they did used to happen pretty frequently. And also, plenty of GMs are not very smart, we have seen this time and time again. This is a byproduct of nonsensically hiring almost exclusively from a pool of North American ex-players.

 

[bandwagonesque]

As has been repeatedly noted here, the negotiation week was cut out of the current CBA, so we are back to ripe conditions for trading negotiating rights. And they did used to happen pretty frequently. And also, plenty of GMs are not very smart, we have seen this time and time again. This is a byproduct of nonsensically hiring almost exclusively from a pool of North American ex-players.

No more than a small minority of UFAs have ever had their rights traded even when the negotiating week existed and it probably has very little to do with GMs being stupid. Also, the flat cap and reduced revenue/internal caps likely means that fewer teams will be signing multiple big free agents, which reduces the main incentive to trade for pending UFAs in the offseason, which is having the ability to negotiate with particular UFAs of interest and gauge their willingness to sign while retaining the ability to circle back to other UFAs later, including your own, if the player you traded for isn't interested in signing or wants too much money.

But yes -- Benning isn't doing a thing almost no other GM is doing either, and that means he's worse than those other GMs.

 

[Lindgren]

No more than a small minority of UFAs have ever had their rights traded even when the negotiating week existed and it probably has very little to do with GMs being stupid. Also, the flat cap and reduced revenue/internal caps likely means that fewer teams will be signing multiple big free agents, which reduces the main incentive to trade for pending UFAs in the offseason, which is having the ability to negotiate with particular UFAs of interest and gauge their willingness to sign while retaining the ability to circle back to other UFAs later, including your own, if the player you traded for isn't interested in signing or wants too much money.

But yes -- Benning isn't doing a thing almost no other GM is doing either, and that means he's worse than those other GMs.

Says nobody.

 

[Hit the post]

Says nobody.

Don't drag me into this conversation.

 

[Saturated Fats]

Awful news. Manny is fantastic. Wonder if they're offering him the 1A spot behind Keefe?

 

[Merrrlin]

What can you tell us about Malholtra as a coach?

 

[Saturated Fats]

What can you tell us about Malholtra as a coach?

That he's a genuinely likeable, special human. HIs message seems to be really well-taken by the players. His biggest influence has been on faceoffs, where he has taken the Canucks from middling to the best faceoff team in the league.

And he's literally the only visible minority in a coaching role, which is both fantastic (in that he represents very well) and deeply saddening (in that he's the only).

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Malhotra heading to Toronto ....
That came out of no where

 

[stickty111]

That he's a genuinely likeable, special human. HIs message seems to be really well-taken by the players. His biggest influence has been on faceoffs, where he has taken the Canucks from middling to the best faceoff team in the league.

And he's literally the only visible minority in a coaching role, which is both fantastic (in that he represents very well) and deeply saddening (in that he's the only).

Thanks for the info from another Leafs fan.

 

[Lindgren]

I remember when the Canucks first acquired Malhotra. There was a report that he was among the group in town early, and he was leading informal on-ice workouts. It seemed to me then a sign that this guy had some pretty powerful leadership chops, if that's the role he assumed despite being new to the team.

 

[canuckfan75]

Not a good thing for Vancouver.

 

[Canucks1096]

As has been repeatedly noted here, the negotiation week was cut out of the current CBA, so we are back to ripe conditions for trading negotiating rights. And they did used to happen pretty frequently. And also, plenty of GMs are not very smart, we have seen this time and time again. This is a byproduct of nonsensically hiring almost exclusively from a pool of North American ex-players.

No, it doesn't happened frequently. When you have a moment. Google Nhl trade history. First or second link. It will have all the trades yearly. Every year, I will say there are no more than 5 of those type of trades.

I think it's more to do with a gm don't want to give up an asset.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

 

[Hit the post]

I think it's more to do with a gm don't want to give up an asset.

 

[Jyrki21]

No more than a small minority of UFAs have ever had their rights traded even when the negotiating week existed and it probably has very little to do with GMs being stupid. Also, the flat cap and reduced revenue/internal caps likely means that fewer teams will be signing multiple big free agents, which reduces the main incentive to trade for pending UFAs in the offseason, which is having the ability to negotiate with particular UFAs of interest and gauge their willingness to sign while retaining the ability to circle back to other UFAs later, including your own, if the player you traded for isn't interested in signing or wants too much money.

But yes -- Benning isn't doing a thing almost no other GM is doing either, and that means he's worse than those other GMs.

...I was addressing Canuck1096's comment presuming the negotiation still exists? Those trades all dried up once it was instituted since there was no longer any real advantage in getting early discussion rights. Now that the week has been scrapped, it is reasonable to expect some will return. And of course it was always a minority of UFAs, but the trades did happen, and started becoming more common in the years before the negotiation week was installed.

The comment about plenty of GMs being dumb was also in response to his comment, and wasn't about Benning or this issue in particular.

 

[Canucks1096]

When the season ended to free agent period? Send me a link on what other teams offered for Hamhuis rights?

 

[Hit the post]

When the season ended to free agent period? Send me a link on what other teams offered for Hamhuis rights?

I quoted your post about a GM not wanting to give up on an asset (ie., lose him for nothing).

1) Team not zero intentions of re-signing him
2) Team was going nowhere that season
3) Let him walk at the end of the season