Magnus Hellberg, G - Almtuna, Allsvenskan

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  1. cheerupmurray

    cheerupmurray Registered User

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    This huge (6'5'') goalie came out of nowhere this season and now has the best save percentage and GAA in SEL-2. He got two shutouts in a row right now. Do you think he will be drafted, and if so in what round?

    http://eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=13297
     
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    Was just waiting for someone to bring his name up. Teams should be lining up, it'll just be a waiting game, who is more aggressive? Hellberg is the best Swedish goalie prospect playing in Sweden.

    Not just that he's so big, his technique is as solid as they come. There's a lot of Anders Lindbäck in him.

    This is the guy that outplayed WJC goalie and Thrasher prospect Fredrik Pettersson-Wentzel and "forced" him to go elsewhere.
     
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    Even though he willl be 20 years old in April,this huge 6'5 185 goalie was stellar last year for the AIMTUNA j-20 squad and is stellar gain this year for AIMTUNA in the Allsvenskan league....So he looks to be a draft wildcard inthat some teams may rank him the best draft-eligible goalie despite his age and take him as a first rounder even ahead of one or more of the highest ranked first-time draft eligible goalies.

    Consider if you are an NHl team and all your hoped for targets for your first pick are off the board in position players-BUT you now have carte blanche to take the first goalie in the draft and assuming your prospect pipeline would target a goalie in round two if you had been successful in getting your desired position player at the pick--do you now take a goalie as the best BPA value left on the board? IF so -do you take this 20 yr old or go with one of the first timer 18 year old goalies like JOHN GIBSON or SAMU PERHONEN? Normally one goes younger based on upside and potential of the younger guy to improve while maybe the 20 year old has levelled off compared to his Jr. peers-but in this case -how can you bypass such a 6'5 goalie with such good stats consistently for 2 years now ? It may be a case of take what you see that might be rady for the nhL a lot sooner than wait on some 18 year old who mightnot be as good at 19 or 20--(we have seen highly touted 18 yr old goalies with worse stats in te 2 years after they get drafted and who never pan out as expected.. So its a risk and a gamble...maybe this guuy is already more advanced and playing at a higher level than jr. --so maybe this gives a better read on him?


    It willbe facinating at the draft to see who an NHL team takes as the first goalie selected given that Hellberg is such a wildcard in play on everyone's radar now and the age issue (pro or con to take the older guy or go for the top ranked 18 year old goalie ) may be a factor in the decision--becase IF you ignore age, it may wellbe that Hellberg should be ranked the top eligible goalie for the draft -and not only that,but in a year of less than scintillating forward depth at the topend of the draft -Hellberg quite possibly should be regarded as a top ten overall pick strictly on BPA criteria. THUS Hellberg indeed is in play as the UNTIL NOW,unheralded wildcard pick to come out of nowhere on most radars into a possible very high pick...

    2 things could help him:


    1. The play of BIG Anders Lindback in Nashville. He too was a 20 yr old when Nashville took him-albeit in the 7th round of the 2008 draft after he was bypassed in the prior 2 drafts by NHL teams... THIS TIME teams may not want to wait that long to grab a bIG goalie with very good stats heading into the draft. BIG SWEDISH goalies with good stats who are draft eligible willnow have a better cachet after LINDBACK's success..


    2. The sucess of EDDIE LACK in the AHL this season as an unrestricted free agent signing by Vancouver. Somehow the smart gurus of the NHL kept bypassing LACK
    over 3 drafts they could have picked him in despite him posting very good stats including some very good years in the Allsvenskan league ..Again a BIG goalie (6'4 185) with top or near top stats in the Allsvenskan who somehow was bypassed by NHL teams when draft eligible . NOW a stellar .928 save % for Manitoba in the AHL on Vancouver;s farm team.



    The point is -that BECAUSE of LINDBACK and LACK's successes in similar circumstances (except LINBACK was risjed on a a 7th rounder when he was 20,whereas NHL teams wasted 7th rounders on never willbe's instead of taking what the stats piinted to with Lack when they could have given him even that last round draft shot but chose otherwise) --THIS TIME some NHL team's GM surely wilnot be so stupid as to gamble on waiting that HELLBERG won't be scooped up -this time a LOT EARLIER-A LOT EARLIR.. Such that thinking-oh je's 20-I can wait and scoop him up in round 7 like Lindback would be a LOL! Such that -then i'd better target him for round thre or round two -MIGHT BE TOO LATE --this time..Such that this wildcard might therefore now be a first rounder and maybe evena top ten "prize" to grab before others pluck him off..


    THIS is how it goes in the folow the crown lemmings world of the NHL...A few years ago 20 yr old Swedish big goalies with good stats against men in the Allsvemskam were hardly or not even "good enough' for tese royls to consider deigning with their valuable draft (most draft picks FAIL) selections .BUT now GREED and FEAR (of not getting "the prize") take over because pathfinder's of this TYPE of older big proven Swedish goalie (LINDBACK and LACK) have paved the way to a "beter grab the BIG guy while you can" mentality .. THerefore Hellberg could be (Unless E.J. McGuire and his Central Scouting boys smarten up and put Hellberg on the radar at the top pof the heap) the "SURPRISE" wildcard "plucked out of nowhere" early top ten pick of the draft... I can just hear Bob McKenzie and Pierre Mcguire gushing to tell the unaare of this brilliant gamble "off the board" by the GM that shocks everyone by grabbing this guy so high.. Hower-it should be predictable .Up to now-no goalie in thi draft was expected to go top ten. Maybe 2-3 goalies might go in round one or it could be just 1 or 2 goalies (Probably John Gibson and Samu Perhonen) --BUT now you have this wildcard in HELLBERG... Perhaps if all GM's think no goalie of this draft crop is worth a first round risk ,them HELLBERG too falls to roumd two or later-BUT honestly the risk of failing with so many of the forwards in this draft after the first couple of top candidates are off the board (usual suspects,Landeskog,RNH,Couturier, Huberdeau ,and maybe 1-2 others ---and though we might have 6-8 d-men who teams certainly all peg as certain first rounders -it might be that risking on a BIG goalie prize like Hellberg is seen as a better gamble than all the rest of the draft that is left--in that context the 'prize" could get pushed up into a top ten spot IF there is a team that needs a goalie for its organization ...So it probably doesn't happen in the fist 7 picks ,but maybe 8,9,or ten with teams there -IF they don't ned a goalie for their orgs-TRADING the pick to a team that DOES want a goalie and has targeted HELLBERG. IF not a topten -then he could stillbe the first or 2nd goalie grabeed later in round one . So he is the wildcard in the draft . I think some team fearing he willbe off the board wil try to trade up to get him --maybe as early as the last few picks in the top ten or maybe by mid-first round. But THIS time-teams willnot wait as long to take a BIG eurogoalie -given NASHVILLE's succes with RINNE (8th rounder) and LINDBACK (7th rouder) and VANCOUVER's AHL success now with LACK (free agent).

    THIS time teams willnot wait around. You can only kick yourself in the head so many times before you say "DUH" --its a no brainer-- GRAB him as fast as you can -cause somebody else will if you delay.
     
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    Well, hawksfan, you point to some very good points, but he will not be drafted in the top-10 after have been surpassed several times. Goalies rarely go in the top-10, anyway, and certainly not an overager.

    However, the Lindback-points and the "waiting-game"-points etcetera, I'm with you on.
     
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    He's interesting, given how P-W was drafted last year but Hellberg now seemingly is the better goaltender. They are only a couple of months apart in age. Goalies are always a bit of a crapshoot, and how much does one year in age for a goaltender really matter anyway? Most goaltenders are not ready for the NHL for at least 3-4 years after they're drafted anyway, if they ever reach that level. No idea how scouts and managements look at it, but logically if a team was willing to throw a 5th round pick on P-W they would be willing to do the same with Hellberg.
     
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    I'd throw a late round pick at him if I was a GM.
     
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    Hmmm. Sounds intriguing. Might have to sign him in my keeper league before he gets drafted.
     
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    Hellberg now on a little bit of a hot streak, posting a .988% and a 0.314 GAA over the last 3 games.

    Meanwhile, some people in the crowd is for some reason starting to take notes while watching Almtuna. :sarcasm:
     
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    Hehe, figures!
     
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    Had the pleasure of watchin' him tonight, and despite a 2-1-loss, it's hard too not notice that this kid is special.

    Mikael Andreasson has really done an amazing job with the goaltenders of Almtuna, with Lindbäck, Pettersson-Wentzel and now Hellberg.
     
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    This kid has the greatest name I've ever heard.
     
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    How does he compare to Mikko Koskinen during his draft year? Koskinen was almost 21 when he was taken in 2009. The Islanders took him fairly early as most rankings had him rated a bit later. The fact that Koskinen was an older prospect might have been more attractive since he hypothetically had a head start in his development compared to a typical 18 year old newly drafted goalie.
     
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    Well, Koskinen played at the top-tier of Finnish hockey while Hellberg is playing in the SEL-II, so that's a major difference right there. On top of that, Koskinen had a good playoff run for Espoo.

    That being said, Hellberg still has the chance to show himself in big games as Almtuna most certainly will play in the promotion playoffs.

    With Koskinen also being a huge goalie, breaking through "late", or at least later than his draft year, you can't help but compare their situations.

    Just like with Koskinen, it'll be a waiting game. Who wants him more? Especially since there's no "consensus" and nobody can really know how far up the lists he really is.
     
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    Anyone got a link to some film of this kid? I've checked out his numbers from the last couple of years, and I'm interested...
     
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    Really hard to get highlights from this league since just a handful games per week are televised or streamed. But if the team goes to playoff qualifier(bo3 format with 4 teams fighting for 1 spot) which it should and with luck even further to the SEL qualifiers there should be some good amount of clips available.
     
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    Lots of scouts watchin' Hellberg - again. He's been great - again.
     
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    Any scouts you recognize? Like Vaclav Burda and Pierre Dorion. :naughty:
     
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    Hellberg was named the last finalist of five for the ROTY(Guldgallret) in Allsvenskan after the game tonight aswell. The other four were voted in by the fans, Hellberg got the last as a wild card. However, his chances to win are actually very big since the winner is declared by a six man jury(journalists, people in the league/federation).

    Other finalists are Pathrik Westerholm, Malmö, Markus Ljungh, Västerås, Victor Rask, Leksand, Patrik Norén, Leksand.
     
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    Magnus Hellberg signing with Frölunda is imminent, so he'll be minding net for one of the biggest clubs in SEL next season (altough they've had a few dissapointing seasons).

    He'll probably be joined by another young goalie, so he'll get a lot of starts.
     
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    Magnus Hellberg

    Hello fellow boardies!

    So I'm curious about Magnus Hellberg. He seems to be going to play with Frolunda in Eliteserien in 2011-2012. He posted awesome stats in division 1 and is currently sitting 2nd in the list of european goalies on the CSS scouting list.

    What can you tell me about this tall swedish goalie? Also, do you think he will get drafted? If so, what round?

    Thanks!
     
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    Hell Mountain. He will get drafted, possibly as high as round two. More likely in round 3 or 4.
     
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    My target for the Blachawks at #43 ...Willhe be there?-probably..WILL STAN take him or another goalie if the #43 is reserved for that purpose (to take a goalie for the [pipeline depth with one of our 2 2nd rounders -if so it willbe the later pick in round two--#43 not #36 that CHI takes a goalie-if that is the plan).

    HELLBERG is 20 already --but the Hawks might be thinking of 2 years down the road --back-up ALEXANDER SALAK willbe 26 then --couldlose him to an offer sheet then --or he may not wantto re-sign longer than a year (he'llbe a ufa at 27 in 3 years).

    oR Maybe they prefer to develop another "younger"goalie (take one who is 18 or turning 18 after te draft --BINNINGTON?) ..

    ANYWAY-that is my "strategic' planning for #43--HELLBERG or BINNINGTON (BUT i am so intrigued by HELLBERG ---if he turns into a special talent then that is a nice asset problem to have : CRAWORD or HELLBERG --could be an eventual valueable trade asset say 5 years down the line ...so if not just for the asset acquistion idea -it makes sense to grab him -if he is still there at #43.
     
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    Was thinking the same thing. We need to take this guy with one of our second rounders if he's there.
     
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