Discussion in 'Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk' started by SeanMoneyHands, Sep 16, 2020.
COL would take him with an incentive, otherwise, his career is done.
I'd I had to guess.......
If he put even the slightest amount of thought into this, he could figure which ten teams even had the space to fit him, put them on the list and just be the awkward moment in the room in Vegas for the rest of his contract.
Probably moot because of all the NTC/NMC’s, but Ottawa would entertain something like ....
Fleury (2 years $7m AAv, $12.5m owed)
Stastny (1 year, $6.5m AAv, $5.5m owed)
Ryan (2 years, $7.25m AAv, $15m owed)
Nilsson (1 year, $2.6m AAv, $2.4m owed)
Pretty close to money-in/money-out for Ottawa, it makes Tierney expendable, and they could flip Stastny at the deadline for futures.
Note that Bobby Ryan does not require ED protection, but he can not be sent to the minors.
I don’t think Vegas does this - and it would need 3 players waiving - but from an Ottawa PoV that is what sort of deal it would take for them to be interested in Fleury.
Because demanding a complete NTC on your contract means in a negotiation with the team you are going to have to give something the other way. Maybe you get a year less of term or AAV. Doing a limited NTC allows you to have your cake and eat too in a sense.
And it’s exactly like the jury selection thing. If you know that a team isn’t in a position to trade for you then it’s idiotic to put them on your list. You don’t submit the list at the beginning of the contract and then it’s set in stone. It’s done after each year so you can change it based on the current situation.
It doesn't make sense for him to waste spots on teams that clearly aren't going to acquire him. Vancouver has no interest in adding a goalie so why add them? If he makes smart selections he can effectively expand the list and better choose where he ends up.
And thus it limits your level of control so it's pointless to try and portray it as having your cake and eating it too because it isn't like that just because you want it to be.
And no, it's not like a jury selection thing because jurors are static in what they present to you as an option. Teams are not. Off-seasons are fluid and while you could make reasonable gambles to that end if you want, I sincerely doubt players really think that much into it. It's going to come down to what Fleury prioritizes for his next team and try to avoid the teams that present the least amount of opportunity toward that end. Pretty simple.
I would be surprised if San Jose is on his no trade list. I think a trade around him and jones makes sense for both sides. Maybe San Jose takes Stastny as well? They have a ton of unproven kids on that roster at center right now.
Would be a good way to dig out from under that Jones contract.
Well we have no idea what Fleury prioritizes but IF he does care about maximum control of the situation and choosing his destination then leaving teams off the list who aren’t in any position to make a move for a goalie would be wise. At least that’s a plausible strategy and I think it’s pretty naive to say that players and their agents don’t take their NTC lists seriously.
Taking it seriously and looking to maximize leverage are two different things. It's still taking it seriously to just put a list of ten teams that you just don't want to be on for whatever reason. It depends on how he's approaching it. He could just approach it looking to avoid going to certain teams rather than looking to join a specific set of teams.
How about Montreal. They already have 15 million in their goalies, so another 7 million won't hurt.
You guys think Devils are on the list ? Combo of sucking and Pens rival ...
I would like MAF to spliut with Blackwood . Teach Blackwood the ropes for two years is perfect. Only issue is Schneider and MAF together would be over 13 mil in cap for goalies plus blackwoods salary....
Not sure if Schneider is bought out or what will happen but he is cooked and no way in hell should be starting another game for the Devils.
I cant see any NHL team willing to take him no matter what kind of asset is attached.
Highly doubt Philly is among the NTL. Philly is like a freebie. Philly has ZERO interest in MAF so MAF might as well pick 10 other teams because Phila is a free #11
Why would he include Montreal, they already have Price and Allen, no way they are trading for Fleury.
Vancouver has Demko, Di Pietro and would probably try to retain Markstrom first, so they really Have no need for Fleury either.
Winnipeg has Hellebuyck so no need there either.
To include either of those teams would be a waste for Fleury if he is trying to dictate his destination.
Edmonton would be one of his best options if you ask me.
Think if Anaheim sends Gibson to a contender, hopefully Colorado, Anaheim considers making Fleury their starter.
This would SUCK for Vegas. They should buy out Fleury instead of wasting 3.5 million in cap (3.25 million in real dollars) on him, and THEN having 3.25 in dead cap/salary in a player that makes the team worse. A Fleury buyout is 2.083 million for four years. So Vegas saves a good 5 million by buying him out. A buyout saves them 4 to 5 million dollars in cap space those first two years.
I wouldn't be surprised if 30 teams had Marc-Andre Fleury on their no trade list either. Feeling's mutual!
Actually the opposite of what you just said, why put ten teams that you know aren’t going to trade for you? You already know your not going there.
If you put the 10 teams most in need of goaltending then you can remove them from the list if the negotiations go well (i.e. get another year added to your deal).
No they wouldn’t, who cares about incentives.
I believe, if the Knights buy out MAF, the cap hit remaining would be 2.5 million freeing up 4.5 million in space. Leaving them with approx 10 million in total cap space. Not exactly a bad spot to be in.
It really sure what this means. But, the idea behind putting ten teams that don’t want him gives Fleury a full NTC so he can essentially force the trade ala Kessel and the Yotes.
I hope so. The way they gamed the system, and ended up as a contender out of the expansion, just seems like the franchise never paid it's dues, and deserves some struggles. That's just me though.
Why would he waste slots on Van, Philly, Wash...none of those 3 teams have a goalie slot, desire, or cap to take him
Or Montreal. Or Anaheim.
I'm sure his agent told him not to put any team on his list, who already have a #1. No point really.
Canes make alot of sense
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