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Rumor: MAF has submitted a 10 team no-trade list
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Empoleon8771
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I think it's impossible to guess what teams Fleury will put on his NTC and what kind of return he's looking at. Depending on what he wants to do, he can either make it really easy for Vegas to trade him (or at least not super painful) or force a buyout. It's all up to Fleury.
If I had to make a guess, Idon't think Fleury is the kind of person that will try to f*ck over Vegas and get a buyout, but I also don't think he's so nice that he'll accept a trade to say Ottawa or Detroit. That's just speculation on my part. My bet is Fleury with salary retained to Carolina for Gardiner, but he could also put Carolina on his NTC because he doesn't want to go there.
If I had to make a guess, Idon't think Fleury is the kind of person that will try to f*ck over Vegas and get a buyout, but I also don't think he's so nice that he'll accept a trade to say Ottawa or Detroit. That's just speculation on my part. My bet is Fleury with salary retained to Carolina for Gardiner, but he could also put Carolina on his NTC because he doesn't want to go there.
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Don't think he'd nix a trade to Montreal but Montreal would never trade for him.
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Number1RedWingsFan52
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Sure name me several playoff teams that can afford him for 2 more years at $7 million per. Most playoff teams are already set in net.
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Depends on what he wants to avoid, I suppose. If he wants to start, he'd put teams that have definitive starters on them for better or for worse. If it's about money, he'd probably put California and Canadian teams on it. If he wants to win, he'd put the ten worst teams on it. Or more likely, some mixture of the three. Even though he's not what he once was, I'd love to swap Martin Jones for Fleury but Vegas is not going to be interested in that since while they will probably take back a goalie making a decent amount, not at Jones' 5.75 for four more years. A deal with Carolina makes sense if they're not on Fleury's no-trade list. They have a goalie with some salary that's probably at a more manageable rate for Vegas and probably some other pieces to make some sort of a four player trade where Fleury goes there and Reimer comes back.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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FWIW basically i only see two teams that can fit him in comfortably without bating an eyelash, And that's Detroit and Ottawa.
Possibly if Vegas would take back one of Nino Niederreiter or Jake Gardiner. Plus either retain or throw in a B asset (~2nd).
Example:
Gardiner/Nino + #43 overall for Fleury + #29 overall
Gardiner/Nino for Fleury ($3 million retained)
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MAF / Gardiner could work, have to find a taker for Reimer or Mrazek
We then draft Askarov for the future.
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Lmao why would he put Vancouver on his list? He knows they wouldn’t trade for him anyways.
Typically players want a say in their destination... no sense is listing a team that would never trade for you.
GIN ANTONIC
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If you’re smart, you put the 10 teams on there that are most likely or rumoured to be a looking for a goalie. This way you can control your destination much better.
(in no particular order)
1. Toronto
2. Carolina
3. Calgary
4. Edmonton
5. Chicago
6. Colorado
7. Minnesota
8. Buffalo
9. Washington
10. Detroit
The first 5 or so on the list have been rumoured to be looking for goaltending changes. The next few maybe a bit less but you have to fill out 10 so you might as well.
No point putting teams on their with solid no. 1 goalies because they aren’t going to trade for you anyway.
(in no particular order)
1. Toronto
2. Carolina
3. Calgary
4. Edmonton
5. Chicago
6. Colorado
7. Minnesota
8. Buffalo
9. Washington
10. Detroit
The first 5 or so on the list have been rumoured to be looking for goaltending changes. The next few maybe a bit less but you have to fill out 10 so you might as well.
No point putting teams on their with solid no. 1 goalies because they aren’t going to trade for you anyway.
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And Melnyk isn’t taking that contract, which leaves Detroit. What sweetener does Detroit insist on to take MAF?
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It's a two way street as well. Fleury probably fills in the 10 destinations, but that doesn't preclude the concept of the GM asking him to waive the NTC for a destination that was included in his 10. It's not like he's going to sit down and add Florida and Montreal to the list purely because they cannot afford him.
MAF could literally end up anywhere and it's possible his desire to get out of Vegas could be higher than the 10 names on his NTC. The point of the NTC is control.
MAF could literally end up anywhere and it's possible his desire to get out of Vegas could be higher than the 10 names on his NTC. The point of the NTC is control.
He gets a say in his destination by listing the ten teams he doesn't want to be traded to as stated in his contract. Typically, no-trade lists are lists of teams the player wants to stay away from regardless of whether that team would actually want to trade for you.
GIN ANTONIC
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Not necessarily. Ideally you would want a full NTC so you can choose where you go in a trade but that also comes at a cost in negotiating your contract.
It might not be that Fleury doesn’t want to go to Carolina or Chicago or wherever but if you put those teams on your list and they’re interested, you get to decide if you really want to go. Putting MTL or Florida or Anaheim or other teams that are super set with a no. 1 goalie or just aren’t in a position to trade for MAF is a waste of one of the 10 NTC slots. As others has mentioned. It’s about control.
Gurglesons
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I mean if he wants to choose where he goes, he puts ten teams that have no interest in him.
Saying it's about control is still too vague for the situation. It depends on what type of control he wants to wield in this situation. Does he want to wield as much control as he can to go somewhere to start? To go somewhere to take home as much as possible? To go somewhere to win? I think people overthink these sorts of things. He's going to put teams on that list that are the least appealing for him and if the team decides to try and trade him to one of those teams, he'll have to be asked and decide. I agree it doesn't necessarily exclude those teams as a potential suitor but going forward with a trade option with one of those teams tends to not end well for the team.
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Cody Glass + 1st/NHL ready LD prospect w/Top 4 projection...otherwise, good luck with the buyout/cap.
$14M for a backup/avg. goalie, oofff.
Ledge And Dairy
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Thank you, i was just about to complain about the OPs choice is source material.nhltraderumors.me
Here's the actual source --> Marc-Andre Fleury approaching deadline to submit no-trade list to Vegas
The ideal situation for Fleury would be forcing a buyout and then double-dipping on salary in Free Agency. Fleury gets $2-3 million in buyout money for the next 4 years from Vegas and then signs for ~$5+ million for 3-4 years. Extends his current $6-6.5 million salary x 2 years to $7+ million x 4 years.
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