Counter with trying our 5.5M dollar player on the top-line, or on the wing, instead of burying him in a grinders role.
Sportsnet: MacArthur sounds off on former coach Carlyle
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Counter with trying our 5.5M dollar player on the top-line, or on the wing, instead of burying him in a grinders role.
My work here is done
It's actually a complicated story what happened with Grabo, lots of factors. Bottom line for me, he's a top six player in the NHL, that doesn't mean it's here.
TootooTrain
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Bingo.
Alot of what Macarthur is saying appears to be him defending Grabo. They were close friends while in Toronto so it would make sense that he would ham up the comments a bit.
Different coaches for different folks. I'm not sure why this is news to anyone. Not every coach gets along with every player.
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To much whining going on from former players. You don't hear Carlyle bashing former players. He moves on and keeps it professional.
Garbs
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"Grabovski is playing terrible, so let's demote Bozak." Said no coach ever.
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I don't think that's it at all. I think he just shares Grabovski's opinion of Carlyle, probably in no small part because he was scratched for playoff games.
Grabovski may have dropped the ball last season, but once he did Carlyle did a pretty good job of making sure he never picked it back up again. And this was basically the point Grabovski seemed to be trying to get across, not easy considering how emotional it was, and in his second language. "I feel no ****ing support from this ****ing idiot" I think were the exact words. In any case he was probably as pissed off about not getting a chance to redeem himself in Toronto as he was about the shortened season itself. The guy wanted to play here.
We are already seeing Washington use him to great success on their top PP unit, so it looks like our loss is their gain.
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Well said.
Grabovski has a lot of talent, but simply isn't a very smart hockey player so often times his efforts are wasted. He tries to make plays that aren't there.
As for MacArthur, I see him as a serviceable-to-good NHLer, but nothing really jumps out about his game. Not especially bad at anything, but not especially great at anything either. He didn't have too much trouble finding a job in the NHL, but we aren't going to miss him, really.
"Bozak is playing terrible, let's demote him." Said no Leafs coach ever. Inexplicably.
Lol MacArthur needs to take a long look at his work history and maybe realize that there is a reason why he's routinely been a castaway in his career. His work ethic has always been in question, he had one great year and not a surprise it was when his career was in jeopardy after Atlanta (i believe it was?) walked away from the arbitrations decision.
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He really rarely has a bad game. Sure he doesn't 'finish' some plays off, but his compete level and fundamentals are always there.
Who cares what Mac has to say?
Obviously he doesn't fit in here any more. Its not often that the club feels that way and the player had no inkling. Yes he didn't fit into the system or the system didn't fit him.
However you spell it out or from whichever perspective you are looking at it from, he is gone and and we have replaced him.
Obviously he doesn't fit in here any more. Its not often that the club feels that way and the player had no inkling. Yes he didn't fit into the system or the system didn't fit him.
However you spell it out or from whichever perspective you are looking at it from, he is gone and and we have replaced him.
Crispy Crust
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The only thing he does remotely well is his faceoff ability. Even then, he is slightly above average. He isn't a very good player. Anyone could look "respectable" playing with one of the best wingers in the game and another top LW (Lupul 2011-2012 and when healthy last season). He pretty much rides shotgun with Phil Kessel.
I agree.
He is one of our most consistent players who knows how to stay within himself. Its not his fault he isn't want we want him to be. its the GM's job to upgrade the roster.
When I judge Bozak's game, I try and do so with his capabilities in mind and don't say he had a bad game or season when he doesn't perform like Toews or some other better player.
You mean by first line standards, or third line standards?
He scores at about 2nd C rate and is good defensively.
He isn't a 1st line C by most measurement but its not as terrible as people make it out to be
Garbs
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You mean by first line standards, or third line standards?
Not producing like a 1st line centre doesn't mean you're playing terrible, lol. I can't even recall the last time Bozak had a bad game. Let alone a stretch.
Bozak does absolutely everything that the coach asks from him:
-Plays good defensively.
-Wins faceoffs.
-Plays on the 1st line.
The only thing that sucks is Bozak getting 1st line PP minutes because I feel that our PP would be much better if Kadri is on it instead.
JvR and Lupul have both had career years with Bozak as their center and Kessel on the RW. Sometimes it's nice to have a player that you can depend on in all situations.
I feel as if Bozak would be getting a lot more love if he put 10 more points on the board. Bozak is akin to an all down running back. He may not be Adrian Peterson but he'll still get the job done in crucial moments.
How bad must Grabovski have played last year that the coach would opt to play an INJURED Bozak on the first line in the playoffs rather than him?
You don't go from playing 18-20 minutes in the first 10 games to playing 12 minutes by the end of the season just because your coach doesn't like you. You can hide from the truth but it will always be there...Grabovski simply didn't perform like a 5.5M center and was subsequently bought out.
Grabovski and MacArthur must have loved Ron Wilson. Run and gun, do what you want, never get criticized for the mistakes you make...play pond hockey and make millions.
-Plays good defensively.
-Wins faceoffs.
-Plays on the 1st line.
The only thing that sucks is Bozak getting 1st line PP minutes because I feel that our PP would be much better if Kadri is on it instead.
JvR and Lupul have both had career years with Bozak as their center and Kessel on the RW. Sometimes it's nice to have a player that you can depend on in all situations.
I feel as if Bozak would be getting a lot more love if he put 10 more points on the board. Bozak is akin to an all down running back. He may not be Adrian Peterson but he'll still get the job done in crucial moments.
How bad must Grabovski have played last year that the coach would opt to play an INJURED Bozak on the first line in the playoffs rather than him?
You don't go from playing 18-20 minutes in the first 10 games to playing 12 minutes by the end of the season just because your coach doesn't like you. You can hide from the truth but it will always be there...Grabovski simply didn't perform like a 5.5M center and was subsequently bought out.
Grabovski and MacArthur must have loved Ron Wilson. Run and gun, do what you want, never get criticized for the mistakes you make...play pond hockey and make millions.
