Prospect Info: F Isak Rosen (14th Overall, 2021), Assigned to Rochester 12/10

[TheMistyStranger]

Who had him 217?

Some random clown who cited his 1 SHL point. It's in Baker's replies to the pick

 

[joshjull]

Who had him 217?

 

[Jim Bob]

https://public.tableau.com/app/prof...ncyandProspectProjections/ProspectProjections

His top 5 for the draft were:

1 - Eklund
2 - Sillinger
3 - Guenther
4 - Coronato
5 - Clarke

Power was 11 and Beniers was 16.

 

[jc17]

Oh gotcha, I figured it might have come from there.

I think its kind of silly to say "i ranked him x" when its just the model, but like I mentioned before I don't love that we picked someone with more statistical uncertainty even if the "ranking " is flawed

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

I figured out what was bothering me. If 1 point in 21 games is enough for a 14th pick, how do you pass 23 in 40?

 

[Fjordy]

I figured out what was bothering me. If 1 point in 21 games is enough for a 14th pick, how do you pass 23 in 40?

It doesn't bother me at all, it's SHL, some young players play little time, not all are physically ready. We know that Rosen played 3-5 minutes per game, this is very little, we know that he is very talented and skilled, but not yet physically mature, we know that he has a high ceiling, skating and skills, I am in full okay with this choice. Adams said he wants to pick players who can be the best in the future, and he did. I think this was really good draft for us.

 

[joshjull]

This kid is all over the place making things happen in the highlights from this tourney. But he needs to start finishing

 

[rams]

His 19-20 numbers were similar to Eklund's, so maybe there is hope if he puts on pounds.
Still think Wallstedt was a better pick.

 

[Buffaloed]

This kid is all over the place making things happen in the highlights from this tourney. But he needs to start finishing

Little know fact: the Rosen family shortened their name from Rosenaginov

 

[SundherDome]

This kid is all over the place making things happen in the highlights from this tourney. But he needs to start finishing

Two things I like from this,

He chased down the defender and made up 3-4 strides in the neutral zone and he tried to be creative, he didn't just shoot it into the goalies crest like our team does

 

[The Blunder Years]

https://public.tableau.com/app/prof...ncyandProspectProjections/ProspectProjections

His top 5 for the draft were:

1 - Eklund
2 - Sillinger
3 - Guenther
4 - Coronato
5 - Clarke

Power was 11 and Beniers was 16.

“Analytics”… these guys are clowns that only use their algorithms to rank prospects. Hockey has a lot of unknown and immeasurable variables

 

[CrazyPsycho]

Kris no please

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

“Analytics”… these guys are clowns that only use their algorithms to rank prospects. Hockey has a lot of unknown and immeasurable variables

Exhibit A: Brayden Point

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

Exhibit A: Brayden Point

I believe in his pre draft year Point had one of the higher primary points per game so if teams went by that stat, rather than his height, he would've been drafted much earlier.

 

[threeVo]

Rosen just needs some bulk like most 17/18 yr old prospects. His speed/skating is very solid. Hes probably a 3 year project but if he gets in that 185 range hes a sure fire NHLer by 21

 

[MarkusKetterer]

This kid is all over the place making things happen in the highlights from this tourney. But he needs to start finishing

So we drafted the Swedish Jeff Skinner!

 

[jc17]

I believe in his pre draft year Point had one of the higher primary points per game so if teams went by that stat, rather than his height, he would've been drafted much earlier.

He also played on a very low scoring team, which I think has a significant impact. I think these guys would see big improvements in their model if they factored that in, for CHL teams at least. Draisaitl, Ennis, Eberle, all prime examples. There are also counter examples like Goldobin and Shinkaruk though.

This kid is all over the place making things happen in the highlights from this tourney. But he needs to start finishing

I still have no idea what that defenseman was thinking

 

[sabremike]

So we drafted the Swedish Jeff Skinner!

If he ends up being as good as Skinner at #14OA that would mean they made an excellent pick in that slot.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

I believe in his pre draft year Point had one of the higher primary points per game so if teams went by that stat, rather than his height, he would've been drafted much earlier.

He also played on a very low scoring team, which I think has a significant impact. I think these guys would see big improvements in their model if they factored that in, for CHL teams at least. Draisaitl, Ennis, Eberle, all prime examples. There are also counter examples like Goldobin and Shinkaruk though.

I thought by bringing up Brayden Point an obvious triumph of analytics over scouting I was being blatantly derisive of an asinine post.

Point's analytics were very strong his draft year clear 1st round probabilities. He only slipped because of height; which you can't teach.

 

[jc17]

I thought by bringing up Brayden Point an obvious triumph of analytics over scouting I was being blatantly derisive of an asinine post.

Point's analytics were very strong his draft year clear 1st round probabilities. He only slipped because of height; which you can't teach.

I figured that's where you were going but wasn't sure. There are some busts ranked ahead of him in 2014, he wasn't exactly top of the list like debrincat, so I guess the point can sort of be used to argue both sides

 

[MarkusKetterer]

If he ends up being as good as Skinner at #14OA that would mean they made an excellent pick in that slot.

30-40 goal Skinner, yes. The recent “can’t buy a goal” Skinner, not so much.

 

[theslatcher]

SHL's pre-season is underway, in Leksand's first game(7pm CEST) Rosén will play on their top line.

 

[theslatcher]

 

[2 others]

Let's hope he ends up a top 3 or top 5 pick in redrafts.