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LW Grigori Denisenko - Loko Yaroslavl, MHL (2018, 15th, FLA)

Discussion in 'NHL Draft - Prospects' started by Arizonan God, Oct 29, 2015.

  1. Arizonan God

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    Couldn't find a thread for this Russian youngster who seems to be putting up some big numbers (13/27/40 in 14 games) in the U17 Russian league. EP has him on their 2018 list. Could anyone give me some info on him? If so, thanks.
     
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    kp61c tovarisch maxim - schas chelust slomau

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    fast, smart and skilled. a potential first rounder. i'd put him right behind svechnikov for the russian crop of that draft year. he's the player i was impressed most in the recent friendlies against finns.
     
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    Wow those are some incredible numbers.
    Was he able to maintain that level? I honestly don't remember him from last years tournament.
     
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    He was absolutely the best russian player in these 3 games against finns. Almost every pass was a perfect feed. Found highlights only for the 3rd game. He's #14.
    He's 2000 born but plays for '99 team. And yet he was the best scorer in very strong Moscow Championship last 2 years with over 2PPG (yeah, Svechnikov had 3-4 PPG but he plays for '00 team and his region championship is weaker, his team is much much better than its opponents in Povolzhye). He's small but pretty strong for his size (thanks to years of playing with older opponents). Unlike Zhabreev (another small russian '00 offensive talent) he's not losing his scoring power with others around him growing up. I think he has a bright future. Him, Svechnikov and Khovanov can be our next Panarin, Tarasenko and Kuznetsov (but they're not Ovie and Geno).
     
  5. kp61c

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    small? for what i see he's around 179-180, for his age i wouldn't call it small.
     
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    Yeah, he's not that small as Zhabreev, I think around 178 cm (5'10'') but he's pretty light and his game is typical for small russian wingers. I agree, he probably will be of average height (around 5'11''-6'00'') and slightly lighter than NHL GMs like players to be when the draft comes, so his size likely won't be an issue.
     
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    0+5 after 4 games in MHL.
     
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    Saw last Loko's game and I should say Denisenko just stood out particularly considering his age. He plays hockey a lot like Panarin, but I believe he will end up slightly bigger man, around 183-184 cm. He's really fast and overall great skater with smooth hands and good head on his shoulders. More of a passer, but his shot is awesome as well. I just hope Svechnikov will think again and come back home next year, cause there are rumors about resumption of U-18 team and we will be able to see Denisenko - Khovanov - Svechnikov line.
     
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    How tall is he?
     
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    He is listed at 5'11" so far.
     
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    Will he be coming over? He could join Svechnikov at Barrie if the latter went to the OHL draft. That'd be pretty cool.
     
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    You mean another guy should throw his development away in the CHL.
     
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    Bring in Aliya Mustafina, you're about to see the highest order of mental gymnastics...
     
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    He should stay in Russia. Come over to NA when he's NHL ready. Most of the best Russian prospects are developed in Russia.
     
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    This is simply historically true. Breaks my heart to see guys take the CHL route.

    It doesn't help them, even though I understand why some of them choose to do this. Everyone has a different situation and there isn't always a clear path to the KHL for Russian prospects.
     
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    You mean North Americans trying to deny statistics for development of russian prospects, statistics they love so much?
     
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    Accusing someone of denying "statistics", climate deniers accuse climatists of ignoring "statistics" the complexity of which is massively understated when assuming a few surface level numbers are insufferably powerful. They're debating this in another thread, more capable debaters who don't just throw up arbitrary parameters, what say you and I let those truly capable of debating this topic duke it out in the proper space and we give Denisenko's thread the peace it deserves.

    Now, I asked if he'd be coming over, not for anyone's opinions on how wonderful or discouraging it was that he'd be coming over. Any word on that?
     
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    It is a Denisenko thread. All things Denisenko can be discussed here. Also how him staying or leaving could affect his future development. I don't really care about you not understanding what statistics I was talking about, just as your attempts to elaborate over the great holy complexity. I am pretty good at statistics. I have to be. Let's leave it at that.

    To know if he is coming over you'd have to talk to his parents which I don't know personally.

    But can you tell me why North Americans are so obsessed with players goint to NA early?
     
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    Traditionally speaking the CHL has been a graveyard for Russian forwards. An absolute appalling development track record.

    As for Denisenko, I'm not saying the CHL is a 100% death sentence, but going to NA early is such a risk. Is the risk worth taking?
     
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    You're so good at statistics that you don't even need to quote any to be right and mockingly claim a closed case on what is still an open debate. I follow the whole debate, it's a two-sided debate, the fact that you don't acknowledge that is also well known. I personally save retorting and sheer scorn for decided issues. On topicality, it is a Denisenko thread up until the point that we begin to trade statistics on the history of Russian prospect development. Thus, I was asking you not to bring those specific "statistics" into this thread, and just discuss pertinent applications.

    This would have sufficed.

    Because we love ruining Russian prospects, it's all part of our big bad plan.
     
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    I'm interested what he's thinking too. I think we heard pretty early on that Klim Kostin wasn't coming over. Hopefully he makes his intentions early so no team gets duped into picking him high.
     
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    I wonder if the Leafs have a chance at drafting him next year.
     

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