I will say this: the Senators outshot the Canucks again, this time by a margin of 36-to-25 but overall I am surprised at how truly awful the Senators are and why is Brady playing wing?
Post-Game Talk: Lucky Canucks def. Sens - 4-1 (Boeser x 2, Pettersson, Pearson)
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We can compare game 2 first period, which was rock bottom in terms of defensive play, with first period of game 3. Fewer shots and much less in the high danger zones. Same low level Sens team, only difference was that we confined their possession to the boards and along the corners. It meant they could really only manage point shots.
Will this adjustment work against an actual NHL roster? I guess we'll find out on Saturday.
Mr. Canucklehead
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I have to agree here, I’d the Canucks had questionable goaltending we would play a different system, one where we suppress the shots and clog up the neutral zone, it’s a boring style and it leads to few chances the other way, it’s also exhausting for the players to chase and box like it’s always killing a penalty. Our 5 on 5 has a long ways to do but the shot count isn’t a very good indicator of the outcome of a period or game without the advanced metrics
Do you guys bother to look at advanced metrics or heat maps?
Last night was better but again this is Ottawa. Other than that they give up an incredibly high amount of scoring chances and they tend to give up shots from the slot.
This idea they hold teams to the outside isn’t based on facts.
If they play like this against the good teams I expect the goals against to go up.
Winnipeg will be a good measuring stick game.
I obviously don't think we're as good as the +13 scoring differential in the three games versus Ottawa suggests, but I do think we're better than the team that started the season with a 2-5 record and a 4.71 goals against average. Now that we have some confidence, and a few good warm up games under our belt, and are back to .500, let's see where this goes.
I obviously don't think we're as good as the +13 scoring differential in the three games versus Ottawa suggests, but I do think we're better than the team that started the season with a 2-5 record and a 4.71 goals against average. Now that we have some confidence, and a few good warm up games under our belt, and are back to .500, let's see where this goes.
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Top to bottom: 1/25 vs. 1/27 vs. 1/28
There was a progressive decrease in shots conceded in the slot and more out towards the side walls and the points as the Canucks started to make adjustments in their defensive zone coverage. Like you, I'll be interested to see how these adjustments fare vs. a bona fide NHL team like the Jets.
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canucks played an incredibly disciplined version of possum in the playoffs and with the benefit of great goaltending it took them farther than the sum of their parts. i don't think you can do that in the regular season. it is asking too much of players to play that way mistake free and it is psychologically damaging to be on the back foot so much.
When people twist the results instead of being objective you get analysis like this.
The middle of the ice is where the opposition got their offense in the playoffs.
The heat maps vs Vegas and St Louis look just like that first Ottawa game.
This possum/rope a dope idea is just the Canucks being poor defensively and not being able to get out of their end.
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An incredibly disciplined version of possum? Lol
Score effects always seem to get ignored when shots are discussed. Canucks went up 3-0 four minutes into the 2nd. At the time, the shots were 14-13 for the Sens. It was only in the last half of the 2nd period that the Sens put up a bunch of shots trying to get back into it. The team still has defensive issues regardless, but they weren't as bad as earlier in the year. They're going to give up a lot of goals this year, but I imagine the first few games were on the far end of the scale and they'll be a little better going forward.
It’s Ottawa so the three game streak needs to be taken with a grain of salt. That said, it’s never easy to beat a team three times in a row and the goaltending looks to have improved quite a bit and the first line looks to be improving as well and still has room to be even better.
Winnipeg will be a big test to see if the team has really sorted out some of its defensive issues as big physical teams like the Jets always give the Canucks fits.
Winnipeg will be a big test to see if the team has really sorted out some of its defensive issues as big physical teams like the Jets always give the Canucks fits.
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The Canucks are in as good a shape to face the Jets,Habs, Leafs as they'll ever be..Both goalies are looking solid, and the D is reasonably healthy, the top 6 has come out of their funk, and woken up (thanks Ottawa)..a stark difference from a week and a half ago.
Obviously, the team has to to start containing the insane amount of shots they are giving up..The Jets and Habs have had our number for quite some time, so these games will be a good indication of where we are at.
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I think @DL44's response answers your question some what
But let me clarify, their work ethic issues came down to two main things: off-ice primarily and some on-ice consistency.
The off-ice primarily for Wellwood was related to his physical conditioning, or lack-there-of. It mostly speaks to how good he was with his hands that he still was consistently in the line up. His consistency mostly was not due to lack of effort per se, but luck of that 5th gear due to conditioning, IMO. AV's laugh was pretty unprofessional but... I don't think unexpected. Even then, I don't think AV was laughing at Wellwood's performance but that he still plays the game 'cool and collected' vs. say Burrows or Kesler - they fit the description of 'man possessed' far better.
On Kassian, you're comparing a 'reformed' Kassian to the 'raw prospect' he was on the Canucks. I'm really happy for where he's at now but he had many off-ice professional challenges. IIRC, he may have veered into alcohol abuse and almost certainly had issues with off-ice partying. Now from a 'business perspective', I could care less what someone does to wind down (other than caring about someone as a person), but if it affects your professional performance, there's an issue - one which Kassian himself admits to. If he had the work ethic he does now back then, he probably would've been one of the best power forwards in the league - what were were all hoping he'd mature into but couldn't in Vancouver.
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Feels like these pairings are about as good as it's going to get with this personnel, IMO.
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the idea you can infer the system of defence a team is playing from a heat map or infer that a team is playing the same system in two games because of a similar heat map has to be a joke to see if i am reading what you post. or are you just mocking analytics?
i also don't even know how you think this refutes what i said. if i accept your supposed heat map correlation it does not in any way prove the canucks were not playing in a defensive shell (possum) in the playoffs, and nor does it refute my principal point that it is dangerous to play possum in the regular season.
