Proposal: Lucic to LA

[kilowatt]

This might be crazy, but hear me out.

To Edmonton: Tyler Toffoli @ 50% retained.
To Los Angeles: 8th overall, Milan Lucic at 50% retained with the intention of buying him out.

Lucic’s buyout would be pretty bad... for one team to incur. But if you split up that buyout between two teams, that becomes much more manageable. This would be the total cap hit for the buyout for both Edmonton and LA:

2019-20: $1,812,500
2020-21: $2,812,500
2021-22: $2,062,500
2022-23: $2,812,500
2023-24: $312,500
2024-25: $312,500
2025-26: $312,500

The last three years hardly matter, while the first four are basically a third line type of player.

With Edmonton trying to win now, gaining Toffoli at half price would be a big positive. Meanwhile, the rebuilding Kings need all the pieces they can get, and being able to get two of Turcotte / Byram / Dach / Cozens / Caufield / Podkolzin / Zegras would be a huge win for LA’s cupboards. These pieces likely don’t help Edmonton right away, but the addition of Toffoli and subtraction of Lucic would.

Or maybe I’m way off base here and deserve your hate and ridicule.

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[ConnorMcMullet]

This might be crazy, but hear me out.

To Edmonton: Tyler Toffoli @ 50% retained.
To Los Angeles: 8th overal, Milan Lucic at 50% retained with the intention of buying him out.

Lucic’s buyout would be pretty bad... for one team to incur. But if you split up that buyout between two teams, that becomes much more manageable. This would be the total cap hit for the buyout for both Edmonton and LA:

2019-20: $1,812,500
2020-21: $2,812,500
2021-22: $2,062,500
2022-23: $2,812,500
2023-24: $312,500
2024-25: $312,500
2025-26: $312,500

The last three years hardly matter, while the first four are basically a third line type of player.

With Edmonton trying to win now, gaining Toffoli at half price would be a big positive. Meanwhile, the rebuilding Kings need all the pieces they can get, and being able to get two of Turcotte / Byram / Dach / Cozens / Caufield / Podkolzin / Zegras would be a huge win for LA’s cupboards. These pieces likely don’t help Edmonton right away, but the addition of Toffoli and subtraction of Lucic would.

Or maybe I’m way off base here and deserve your hate and ridicule.

I'm not doing that if we're going to retain half of Lucic's contract. I'd do:

Lucic + 8th overall for Toffoli (extended)

 

[780il]

Not if we have to hold onto 3m of Lucic for 4 years... Either change the pick to 2 2nds or take out the retention.

 

[XXIV97]

Not retaining 50%

 

[kilowatt]

Not if we have to hold onto 3m of Lucic for 4 years... Either change the pick to 2 2nds or take out the retention.

You wouldn’t be hanging on to $3 million of him for four years, though. You’d be hanging onto between $1.8 million and $2.8 million over for years, and gaining Tyler Toffoli in his place. Lucic would be traded to LA to spread out the buyout.

 

[kilowatt]

Not retaining 50%

Again, retaining 50% for the purposes of a buyout. A shared buyout costs the Oilers a lot less money.

 

[elmaco]

Putrid

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

You wouldn’t be hanging on to $3 million of him for four years, though. You’d be hanging onto between $1.8 million and $2.8 million over for years, and gaining Tyler Toffoli in his place. Lucic would be traded to LA to spread out the buyout.

Ah, I see now. That makes the deal a lot more interesting.

I'd do it if Toffoli agrees to extend.

 

[Baksfamous112]

That’s an interesting deal if Toffoli accept a new contract in Edmonton. Well done

 

[ThankGord]

Interesting option. A little bit easier to swallow than retaining 3 million straight up or the taking on the entire buyout. Hard to gauge the value of that.

 

[ConnorMcNugesaitl]

Not really a fan of Toffoli, if the Oilers want a part time player they may as well keep Lucic.

Rather take the player at 8 and ride it out.

 

[Teufelsdreck]

This might be crazy, but hear me out.

To Edmonton: Tyler Toffoli @ 50% retained.
To Los Angeles: 8th overal, Milan Lucic at 50% retained with the intention of buying him out.

Lucic’s buyout would be pretty bad... for one team to incur. But if you split up that buyout between two teams, that becomes much more manageable. This would be the total cap hit for the buyout for both Edmonton and LA:

2019-20: $1,812,500
2020-21: $2,812,500
2021-22: $2,062,500
2022-23: $2,812,500
2023-24: $312,500
2024-25: $312,500
2025-26: $312,500

The last three years hardly matter, while the first four are basically a third line type of player.

With Edmonton trying to win now, gaining Toffoli at half price would be a big positive. Meanwhile, the rebuilding Kings need all the pieces they can get, and being able to get two of Turcotte / Byram / Dach / Cozens / Caufield / Podkolzin / Zegras would be a huge win for LA’s cupboards. These pieces likely don’t help Edmonton right away, but the addition of Toffoli and subtraction of Lucic would.

Or maybe I’m way off base here and deserve your hate and ridicule.

Any GM who trades for Lucic doesn't belong in the NHL.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Any GM who trades for Lucic doesn't belong in the NHL.

Preach!

Every time a Lucic thread is posted, an unicorn is born. Its pure fantasy!

 

[kilowatt]

Any GM who trades for Lucic doesn't belong in the NHL.

Preach!

Every time a Lucic thread is posted, an unicorn is born. Its pure fantasy!

Sure, it’s a fantasy. We’re on a forum fantasizing about trading players. It’s what we do.

But this allows for a very manageable buyout cap hit for both teams, which makes this whole process a lot more palatable. LA gets potentially a great piece for the future, Edmonton gets a good piece for now and removed Lucic while they’re at it.

 

[ArchAngel55]

Preach!

Every time a Lucic thread is posted, an unicorn is born. Its pure fantasy!

And every time there is a Maatta thread, one dies. So it evens it out.

 

[kilowatt]

And every time there is a Maatta thread, one dies. So it evens it out.

I don’t even like unicorns

 

[tomd]

Toffoli is not extendable at this point IMO. What would be the basis to negotiate an extended salary? He has not played like a $4.6 million player for the past 1.5 seasons so I doubt there is a demand out there by the Kings or anyone else to extend at anywhere close to that price. This is a wait and see situation. If Toffoli rebounds next year he will earn himself a good new contract. If he plays like he did last year, he is looking at a "show me" 1 year deal from some team that is weak at RW. That is why his trade value is very low at this point...no team will give up good assets for a player with one year remaining on a pretty bloated contract. He'll have value at the next TDL if he has a good season and the Kings are not in the playoff hunt.

 

[kilowatt]

Toffoli is not extendable at this point IMO. What would be the basis to negotiate an extended salary? He has not played like a $4.6 million player for the past 1.5 seasons so I doubt there is a demand out there by the Kings or anyone else to extend at anywhere close to that price. This is a wait and see situation. If Toffoli rebounds next year he will earn himself a good new contract. If he plays like he did last year, he is looking at a "show me" 1 year deal from some team that is weak at RW. That is why his trade value is very low at this point...no team will give up good assets for a player with one year remaining on a pretty bloated contract. He'll have value at the next TDL if he has a good season and the Kings are not in the playoff hunt.

That may be true, but you can say that about every player on the Kings last season. He also would only cost Edmonton $2.3 million next year. He’s one year removed from a 24 goal, 47 point season (third on the Kings). If he clicks with one of McDavid/Dreiseitl/RNH, that’s a big win for Edmonton, too. Plus, they get out of Lucic cap hell and receive a talented player to boot. The total cap SAVINGS for replacing Lucic with Toffoli would be $1,887,500 next season.

 

[tomd]

That may be true, but you can say that about every player on the Kings last season. He also would only cost Edmonton $2.3 million next year. He’s one year removed from a 24 goal, 47 point season (third on the Kings). If he clicks with one of McDavid/Dreiseitl/RNH, that’s a big win for Edmonton, too. Plus, they get out of Lucic cap hell and receive a talented player to boot. The total cap SAVINGS for replacing Lucic with Toffoli would be $1,887,500 next season.

Points taken but let's say you are right...he rebounds and has a great season in Edmonton. At that point, he is a UFA and can go anywhere he wants. Can Edmonton entice him to stay? Can they afford him to stay?

It is not worth it for Edmonton to give up the 8th pick (even if it does rid them of Lucic) for a one-year gamble on Toffoli. Just doesn't make sense IMO.

 

[CraigsList]

I think it's not a bad idea, but Edmonton shouldn't be retaining that much if they are giving up 8th OA. I think a 2019 2nd and a 2020 1st (top 5 pick protected) would be a better fit.

 

[kilowatt]

Points taken but let's say you are right...he rebounds and has a great season in Edmonton. At that point, he is a UFA and can go anywhere he wants. Can Edmonton entice him to stay? Can they afford him to stay?

It is not worth it for Edmonton to give up the 8th pick (even if it does rid them of Lucic) for a one-year gamble on Toffoli. Just doesn't make sense IMO.

That’s fair, but if Edmonton does well and Toffoli has a great season playing alongside some of the best forwards in the NHL, is there a reason he wouldn’t want to stay in Edmonton?

 

[kilowatt]

I think it's not a bad idea, but Edmonton shouldn't be retaining that much if they are giving up 8th OA. I think a 2019 2nd and a 2020 1st (top 5 pick protected) would be a better fit.

At 50% retention, the Kings do that deal too. At less retention, I’m not sure. Retaining 40% is splitting hairs, but I guess LA would do it. Retaining 25% likely doesn’t move the needle for LA.

That would be:

2019-20
Edmonton: $906,250
LA: $2,718,750

2020-21
Edmonton: $1,406,250
LA: $4,218,740

2021-22
Edmonton: $1,031,250
LA: $3,093,750

2022-23
Edmonton: $1,406,250
LA: $4,218,740

2023-24 through 2026-27
Edmonton: $156,250
LA: $468,750

That’s a pretty rough buyout if it isn’t split. Would Edmonton consider Lucic @ 25% and the 8th overall for, I dunno, Lewis?

 

[McSuper]

That may be true, but you can say that about every player on the Kings last season. He also would only cost Edmonton $2.3 million next year. He’s one year removed from a 24 goal, 47 point season (third on the Kings). If he clicks with one of McDavid/Dreiseitl/RNH, that’s a big win for Edmonton, too. Plus, they get out of Lucic cap hell and receive a talented player to boot. The total cap SAVINGS for replacing Lucic with Toffoli would be $1,887,500 next season.

Plus the buy out of 1.887 so close to 4.2 million . I rather have Lucic at 6 and and high end prospect at 1 million

 

[tomd]

That’s fair, but if Edmonton does well and Toffoli has a great season playing alongside some of the best forwards in the NHL, is there a reason he wouldn’t want to stay in Edmonton?

Too many "ifs" for Edmonton to give up the 8th pick. I think you'll agree that McDavid would probably be better with someone who is a much better skater than Toffoli.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

heyy wait, where's Puljuju?