Long shot poll

[Seras]

No GM would trade 1st overall, too much risk for not enough reward.

 

[al secord]

Unless they also want to take some cap off of our hands, Dubas says thanks but no thanks. An instant top six forward on a 3 year ELC provides us with much better options.

 

[xxOCZMSxx]

No GM would trade 1st overall, too much risk for not enough reward.

You’re not the first to mention the clubs “appearance” when trading #1 overall. Why a good GM would give one rats ass about your opinion of him is beyond me.
It’s a results based business. If you make a blockbuster, you don’t pine over the player you traded away. You do what you think makes your team better.

Being afraid to “look bad” is a good way to always be in the middle of the pack at best.

 

[LeafsNation75]

You’re not the first to mention the clubs “appearance” when trading #1 overall. Why a good GM would give one rats ass about your opinion of him is beyond me.
It’s a results based business. If you make a blockbuster, you don’t pine over the player you traded away. You do what you think makes your team better.

Being afraid to “look bad” is a good way to always be in the middle of the pack at best.

So how come the 1st overall pick has not been traded since the 2003 draft which was 17 years ago.

 

[Golden_Jet]

So how come the 1st overall pick has not been traded since the 2003 draft which was 17 years ago.

Likely no one offered 3 and 5th overall.

 

[ACC1224]

So how come the 1st overall pick has not been traded since the 2003 draft which was 17 years ago.

The cost was too high?

 

[LeafsNation75]

The cost was too high?

This is with the benefit of hindsight being 20/20 but if the 1st overall pick was going to be traded in a previous draft it would have been in 2012, considering among the top 5 selections Morgan Rielly turned out to be the best player selected.

 

[ACC1224]

This is with the benefit of hindsight being 20/20 but if the 1st overall pick was going to be traded in a previous draft it would have been in 2012, considering among the top 5 selections Morgan Rielly turned out to be the best player selected.

ok

 

[Seras]

You’re not the first to mention the clubs “appearance” when trading #1 overall. Why a good GM would give one rats ass about your opinion of him is beyond me.
It’s a results based business. If you make a blockbuster, you don’t pine over the player you traded away. You do what you think makes your team better.

Being afraid to “look bad” is a good way to always be in the middle of the pack at best.

That is the world we now live in, being in the middle is a good safe space.

 

[xxOCZMSxx]

That is the world we now live in, being in the middle is a good safe space.

Maybe if you’re from Buffalo, but I want my front office pushing the envelope.

 

[Ciao]

Wendel Clark.
Auston Matthews.

How often in the life of a franchise does it pick 1OA?

I would take my chances by keeping the pick rather than taking it away.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Wendel Clark.
Auston Matthews.

How often in the life of a franchise does it pick 1OA?

I would take my chances by keeping the pick rather than taking it away.

To be fair, how often has the #1 pick not gone to a team that isn't absolutely shite.

 

[deletethis]

To be fair, how often has the #1 pick not gone to a team that isn't absolutely shite.

It's exceedingly rare.

Montreal: Lafleur in 1972, 5 Stanley Cups followed
Philadelphia: Bridgman in 1975, 1 Stanley Cup with Bridgman as 3rd leading playoff scorer
Montreal: Wickenheiser in 1980, no major benefit
Boston: Kluzak in 1982, knee injuries cost this being a huge boost

 

[Big Muddy]

Unless #1 is the Crosby/McDavid type, you take 3 & 5.

Most likely, ya.

More than likely Dorion won't be calling and will stick with their #3 & #5 OA picks. I don't think Dubas answers the call if Dorian calls though.

 

[Big Muddy]

Posted this list in the trade rumours thread. More often than not 1>3+5 and especially when there is a consensus #1. Given our limited cap space, a star on an ELC is just what we need.

Last 25 1st, 3rd & 5th overall picks.

Jack Hughes	Kirby Dach	Alex Turcotte
Rasmus Dahlin	Jesperi Kotkaniemi	Barrett Hayton
Nico Hischier	Miro Heiskanen	Elias Pettersson
Auston Matthews	Pierre-Luc Dubois	Olli Juolevi
Connor McDavid	Dylan Strome	Noah Hanifin
Aaron Ekblad	Leon Draisaitl	Michael Dal Colle
Nathan MacKinnon	Jonathan Drouin	Elias Lindholm
Nail Yakupov	Alex Galchenyuk	Morgan Rielly
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins	Jonathan Huberdeau	Ryan Strome
Taylor Hall	Erik Gudbranson	Nino Niederreiter
John Tavares	Matt Duchene	Brayden Schenn
Steven Stamkos	Zach Bogosian	Luke Schenn
Patrick Kane	Kyle Turris	Karl Alzner
Erik Johnson	Jonathan Toews	Phil Kessel
Sidney Crosby	Jack Johnson	Carey Price
Alex Ovechkin	Cam Barker	Blake Wheeler
Marc-Andre Fleury	Nathan Horton	Thomas Vanek
Rick Nash	Jay Bouwmeester	Ryan Whitney
Ilya Kovalchuk	Alexander Svitov	Stanislav Chistov
Rick DiPietro	Marian Gaborik	Raffi Torres
Patrik Stefan	Henrik Sedin	Tim Connolly
Vincent Lecavalier	Brad Stuart	Vitaly Vishnevski
Joe Thornton	Olli Jokinen	Eric Brewer
Chris Phillips	J.P. Dumont	Ric Jackman
Bryan Berard	Aki Berg	Daymond Langkow

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Given how deep this draft is, I think I'd take #3 & #5 still. One of those picks could be converted to a good defender, and we need as many good quality ELCs as we can get given our cap situation.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Given how deep this draft is, I think I'd take #3 & #5 still. One of those picks could be converted to a good defender, and we need as many good quality ELCs as we can get given our cap situation.

It's also a bit flaw narrowing down the 3rd and 5th picks specifically .. A fairer analysis should be seeing what picks 3-6 have been in comparison to #1 which can show you the kinds of players available at those picks.

Needless to say the 1st OA has been the preference overall but in the last 10-15 years we see a lot of 3/5 pick be superior.

I guess it depends on where you rank Laf in this group of #1 OA's.

 

[LeafsNation75]

It's also a bit flaw narrowing down the 3rd and 5th picks specifically .. A fairer analysis should be seeing what picks 3-6 have been in comparison to #1 which can show you the kinds of players available at those picks.

Needless to say the 1st OA has been the preference overall but in the last 10-15 years we see a lot of 3/5 pick be superior.

I guess it depends on where you rank Laf in this group of #1 OA's.

A previous draft I can think of right now where those picked 3-5 turned out to be better than the #1 was when Toronto selected Morgan Rielly 5th overall and Edmonton selected Nail Yakupov 1st overall in 2012. In fact it's fair to say among just the top 5 picks Rielly turned out to be the best player.

The other draft I can think of is 2014 since Leon Draisaitl who Edmonton selected 3rd overall turned out a lot better compared to Aaron Ekblad who was selected 1st overall by Florida and Sam Reinhart who Buffalo selected 2nd overall.

 

[xxOCZMSxx]

A previous draft I can think of right now where those picked 3-5 turned out to be better than the #1 was when Toronto selected Morgan Rielly 5th overall and Edmonton selected Nail Yakupov 1st overall in 2012. In fact it's fair to say among just the top 5 picks Rielly turned out to be the best player.

The other draft I can think of is 2014 since Leon Draisaitl who Edmonton selected 3rd overall turned out a lot better compared to Aaron Ekblad who was selected 1st overall by Florida and Sam Reinhart who Buffalo selected 2nd overall.

Were I to trade #1 for #3 and #5, I know I am passing on the best player available. That’s not the question. At 3 and 5, I’m trying to fill two roster spots with “next level down” talent, say like a RHD and a LW?

 

[LeafsNation75]

Were I to trade #1 for #3 and #5, I know I am passing on the best player available. That’s not the question. At 3 and 5, I’m trying to fill two roster spots with “next level down” talent, say like a RHD and a LW?

I was just responding to @BertCorbeau where in the 2012 and 2014 drafts that the best player wasn't the one who was selected 1st overall.

 

[Drew311]

I take Lafreniere all day. He's the only guy I don't have questions about. He's got future superstar written all over him and would fit perfectly with Matthews. He also jumps in the NHL next season no question, right in time for the Leafs cup window.

Have a look at recent previous drafts. Once you get past #1 there is still a lot of risk in the top 5. Picking a Puljujarvi and Juolevi would be devastating, not to mention handing a superstar to Ottawa for the next 7+ years. Let Ottawa screw up the picks and Lafreniere/Matthews can haunt them for years.

 

[therealkoho]

just a thought

IF the Leafs receive the 1stOA

trade Nylander + to LA for 2nd overall(draft Byfield)
trade Johnsson to Anaheim for Kesler's contract
that's 10.3m out the door plus 6m+ for LTIR
sign Pietrangelo

Lafrenier Matty Marner
Hyman JT Robertson
Mikheyev Byfield Kapanen
Clifford/Korshkov Spezza Engvall

 

[CreeksideStrangler]

Take Laf and run. He's absolutely a Matthews level talent. I'd imagine he'll outscore Auston over their careers. Auston plays center though which is huge.

Matthews has been called the next best sniper since Ovi. I hesitate to say Laf will be hitting Matthews scoring level

 

[kb]

Matthews has been called the next best sniper since Ovi. I hesitate to say Laf will be hitting Matthews scoring level

Can't see that either. He's good, but he's not in that realm. First off he's more of a playmaker.

 

[Its not your fault]

When did you win the trade by having the best player in it go so out of style.

 

[Pyrophorus]

We win 1st, my goal is to get a good dman and Drysdale.

Detroit: Hronek and #4
Ottawa: Brannstrom and #3 OR #5

Plan B: is either BPA or Sanderson.

I try to avoid forwards, like the plague.