Player Discussion Logan Brown

[InTkachukWeTrust]

Brown will be a beast this year. All the stars are aligning for the kid.

 

[bert]

$5-6 million for White in the bottom 6 !!! That makes Boedker look like a good deal.

Where do you come up with this garbage? 200 posts proving your brutal point wrong and you keep coming back with this

Didn’t White get “1” goal in all those games he played that first year - I’d hardly say that he cemented anything.

Either way, White coming off 1G in 19 games the Sens took a chance and let him start the season. That’s a pretty low bar. Brown should be ale to cover that. Offensively he looked OK two years ago and his game has developed since.

He outlined how different the players are why did you ignore it completely? White is a two way defensively responsible player Brown is an offensive player that needs to play in the top 6, that has compete and consistency issues. They are so different and really are nothing alike from a stylistic or development standpoint.

I am of the belief that if Brown was going to be a Legit #1 more people would be talking about him and he would be too good for the AHL. I don't believe the hype until its warranted.

Exactly.. He isnt a top 50 prospect for a reason. The posters that are hyping him most are the least familiar with his game.

Nick Paul was just as good if not better than him last year in the AHL. But you dont see him on these perspective rosters of the same posters that think he is NHL and top 6 ready.

Brown needs more time developing as a top 6 talent. The sens have 4 centermen coming in to camp and 10 forwards on one way deals plus other prospects like Batherson, Balcers and Paul that are natural wingers, older and or more NHL ready.

If he starts the year in Ottawa its because if an injury and or he is a top 3 forward at camp (which would be best case scenario).

 

[Sens]

Whites better then Brown defensively but that does not mean Brown is garbage... he’s very good to and should be as good as Kevin Hayes defensively as he matures

 

[JD1]

The posters that are hyping him most are the least familiar with his game.

Nick Paul was just as good if not better than him last year in the AHL.

These two sentences back to back are kind of funny. Mann identified Brown as the guy that made the Batherson Brown Paul line work.

Personally I'll admit to not having seen a lot of Brown playing, some of that because of Brown's injury history.

But I do kind of base my hopes for a guy on how his coach, the guy MOST familiar with his game, references him.

 

[Micklebot]

These two sentences back to back are kind of funny. Mann identified Brown as the guy that made the Batherson Brown Paul line work.

Personally I'll admit to not having seen a lot of Brown playing, some of that because of Brown's injury history.

But I do kind of base my hopes for a guy on how his coach, the guy MOST familiar with his game, references him.

To be fair, Mann also made some comments about Paul being the most improved player on the team last year, and Brown himself called Paul one of the best players in the league in March.

At the AHL level, there's a legitimate debate to be had over who had the better season. I do think though that Brown's skill set transfers better to continue in a similar role in the NHL, where as Paul likely tops out as a middle 6 guy if everything goes well.

 

[JD1]

To be fair, Mann also made some comments about Paul being the most improved player on the team last year, and Brown himself called Paul one of the best players in the league in March.

At the AHL level, there's a legitimate debate to be had over who had the better season. I do think though that Brown's skill set transfers better to continue in a similar role in the NHL, where as Paul likely tops out as a middle 6 guy if everything goes well.

I am really hopeful that Paul makes it. Similar to Brown, I think there was an oil and water situation with Boucher. Paul looked pretty good in the NHL last year. I like having big guys that can skate

I was just highlighting the irony of those two sentences back to back.

 

[Viletho]

Where do you come up with this garbage? 200 posts proving your brutal point wrong and you keep coming back with this

He outlined how different the players are why did you ignore it completely? White is a two way defensively responsible player Brown is an offensive player that needs to play in the top 6, that has compete and consistency issues. They are so different and really are nothing alike from a stylistic or development standpoint.


Exactly.. He isnt a top 50 prospect for a reason. The posters that are hyping him most are the least familiar with his game.

Nick Paul was just as good if not better than him last year in the AHL. But you dont see him on these perspective rosters of the same posters that think he is NHL and top 6 ready.

Brown needs more time developing as a top 6 talent. The sens have 4 centermen coming in to camp and 10 forwards on one way deals plus other prospects like Batherson, Balcers and Paul that are natural wingers, older and or more NHL ready.

If he starts the year in Ottawa its because if an injury and or he is a top 3 forward at camp (which would be best case scenario).

Agree with all this but the Paul vs Brown part is sketchy a little. Even if i understand your point.

Paul was in his 3rd AHL season ( i believe ) vs Brown's 1st. I will talk for myself but i Believe i guy like Brown if put in an NHL top 6 would find a way to produce and get better while a player like Paul would probably get overwhelm. Also, their potential is not close at all.

That being said, I hope Brown make the team because he will force them to. I don't believed he will be given a spot. I hope he forced them to have a top 6 spot or a 3rd line spot with offensive guy like Batherson and Duclair at his wing. Even.. Why not Paul-Brown-Batherson. That could make for a good transition since they played together last year.

Let Brown dictate where he should be by playing. That's pretty much my point.

 

[Micklebot]

I am really hopeful that Paul makes it. Similar to Brown, I think there was an oil and water situation with Boucher. Paul looked pretty good in the NHL last year. I like having big guys that can skate

I was just highlighting the irony of those two sentences back to back.

I've thought Paul should have been up since Boucher's 2nd year here. He's always had the skill set to be an effective 4th line center that kills penalties, kind of like McClement. But he's made some progress under Mann, and now I think he has potential to provide a bit more than just a big bodied penalty killer that won't hurt you at ES.

 

[Micklebot]

Let Brown dictate where he should be by playing. That's pretty much my point.

I think everyone agrees with that, it's just differences in opinion as to what he needs to do to dictate that the NHL is where he should be.

I think his change in offseason training is potentially a big step in the right direction. If he's added 10 pounds of muscle and is a bit more explosive in terms of his skating, that could really help out. I just hope he doesn't lose some of his agility as a result of the extra bulk.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

After seeing that picture of Logan Brown, I'm now convinced that Logan Brown is going to be the next Joe Thornton. Or at the very least, a less goofy Spezza.

#FYOUS

 

[NyQuil]

After seeing that picture of Logan Brown, I'm now convinced that Logan Brown is going to be the next Joe Thornton. Or at the very least, a less goofy Spezza.

#FYOUS

A picture says a thousand words.

Unfortunately, those words do not include "hockey performance".

Seriously though, I don't mean to be a Debbie Downer, I'm just more of a "prove it" guy after so many other prospects have come and gone through our system over the years.

 

[NyQuil]

I've thought Paul should have been up since Boucher's 2nd year here. He's always had the skill set to be an effective 4th line center that kills penalties, kind of like McClement. But he's made some progress under Mann, and now I think he has potential to provide a bit more than just a big bodied penalty killer that won't hurt you at ES.

I think Nick Paul has a better idea than ever before of what he's going to have to do in order to become a regular NHL player.

The offence is a nice bonus, but it's going to be about relentless pursuit of the fundamentals and work ethic for him.

After playing in the WJCs, he might have had the idea that he can do it all.

I remember when Jared Cowen came out of Spokane thinking that he was some kind of all-around defenceman when all Ottawa wanted him to do was be physical and focus on defence. Those injuries didn't help, I"ll grant you.

 

[JD1]

Nick Paul and Logan Brown emerging could make both JGP and Tierney redundant by the TDL

 

[Micklebot]

I think Nick Paul has a better idea than ever before of what he's going to have to do in order to become a regular NHL player.

The offence is a nice bonus, but it's going to be about relentless pursuit of the fundamentals and work ethic for him.

After playing in the WJCs, he might have had the idea that he can do it all.

I remember when Jared Cowen came out of Spokane thinking that he was some kind of all-around defenceman when all Ottawa wanted him to do was be physical and focus on defence. Those injuries didn't help, I"ll grant you.

Yeah, I'm thinking now he can be just like McClement, except that won't always dump the puck into the corner and go for a line change the second he hits the blue line every time.

He's got to create turnovers in the OZ and capitalize off the mayhem the forcheck can cause.

 

[Viletho]

Nick Paul and Logan Brown emerging could make both JGP and Tierney redundant by the TDL

Tierney more then JGP, IMO.

I find Tierney to be average at everything. While Pageau is a defensive specialist that can produce a little.

I could see Pageau playing a 4th line role and do his thing.( will he want to? :s ) While i feel Tierney need offensive opportunity. But if White and Brown are above him, then what his worth to the team? He can't play wing. I can also add Norris and let's hope Chlapik to this mix.

 

[Micklebot]

Tierney more then JGP, IMO.

I find Tierney to be average at everything. While Pageau is a defensive specialist that can produce a little.

I could see Pageau playing a 4th line role and do his thing.( will he want to? :s ) While i feel Tierney need offensive opportunity. But if White and Brown are above him, then what his worth to the team? He can't play wing. I can also add Norris and let's hope Chlapik to this mix.

I would prefer to keep Pageau myself, but Tierney is RFA, so I suspect he'll stick around longer out of the two.

 

[TkachukNorris79]

I would prefer to keep Pageau myself, but Tierney is RFA, so I suspect he'll stick around longer out of the two.

The big difference is that a Pageau trade needs to happen before the deadline. Tierney can wait until the draft or summer. I think JGP will sign in Ottawa for similar money, and I'd be very happy with that. Him and Chlapik/Paul would be pretty good as bottom 6 C's. Hopefully Pinto can jump in when Pageau is gone. In that case, I'd package Tierney with the SJ 1st or one of the 2nds to move up in the draft.

 

[Sweatred]

The big difference is that a Pageau trade needs to happen before the deadline. Tierney can wait until the draft or summer. I think JGP will sign in Ottawa for similar money, and I'd be very happy with that. Him and Chlapik/Paul would be pretty good as bottom 6 C's. Hopefully Pinto can jump in when Pageau is gone. In that case, I'd package Tierney with the SJ 1st or one of the 2nds to move up in the draft.

I hope PD has permission to retain salary/cap hit on these guys to maximize their value and squeeze them into a contending teams lineup and making sure Brown gets his playing time.

 

[aragorn]

IMO Brown starts the season back in Belleville until PD clears some roster space at the NHL level. I think that he will try & move all of the UFAs leading up to the trade deadline, Pageau, Ennis, Boedker, Boroweicki, Hainsey, DeMello & Anderson could all be shipped out if they can find buyers for all of them. That should open up some spots for Brown, as well as a few other guys.

 

[JD1]

IMO Brown starts the season back in Belleville until PD clears some roster space at the NHL level. I think that he will try & move all of the UFAs leading up to the trade deadline, Pageau, Ennis, Boedker, Boroweicki, Hainsey, DeMello & Anderson could all be shipped out if they can find buyers for all of them. That should open up some spots for Brown, as well as a few other guys.

What do you think will happen day 1 of the season if Brown comes to camp and shows he is clearly amongst the team's best 4? I think it is reasonably accepted that he is the most offensively capable. It seems he was in beast mode training this summer. He hasza clear size, strength and offensive IQ advantage and a clean slate with a coach. I think it is going to be interesting

 

[Sweatred]

What do you think will happen day 1 of the season if Brown comes to camp and shows he is clearly amongst the team's best 4? I think it is reasonably accepted that he is the most offensively capable. It seems he was in beast mode training this summer. He hasza clear size, strength and offensive IQ advantage and a clean slate with a coach. I think it is going to be interesting

I think it will be hard to send him down . He could lead the team in preseason scoring. I think Hossa did that in his D+1 year and went near pointless in the ten reg season games and was sent down.

Batherson looked ready last year and got a chance. When it didn’t work he went back down. Nothing wrong with doing the same out of camp with Brown. If it doesn’t work send him back. Brown could play another year in the AHL and this issue would still be present(return to the A)

 

[aragorn]

What do you think will happen day 1 of the season if Brown comes to camp and shows he is clearly amongst the team's best 4? I think it is reasonably accepted that he is the most offensively capable. It seems he was in beast mode training this summer. He hasza clear size, strength and offensive IQ advantage and a clean slate with a coach. I think it is going to be interesting

While I agree with you it wouldn't be the first time someone was sent down until there was room made on the roster for them. He is young enough that he won't have to clear waivers & who knows exactly what the plan is, not just with this team but with the organization. Maybe they want Brown in Belleville to give them a good chance of winning the Calder Cup which could give the organization a huge boost given the NHL team is going to be so crappy next season. Maybe it has something to do with the expansion draft the following yr or his contract if he has a great first yr. Tkachuk, Brown & Batherson will all need a new contract in two yrs. Not to say he couldn't make the team out of camp, I just think it's unlikely given all the one way UFA contracts they need to showcase & move.

 

[Sweatred]

While I agree with you it wouldn't be the first time someone was sent down until there was room made on the roster for them. He is young enough that he won't have to clear waivers & who knows exactly what the plan is, not just with this team but with the organization. Maybe they want Brown in Belleville to give them a good chance of winning the Calder Cup which could give the organization a huge boost given the NHL team is going to be so crappy next season. Maybe it has something to do with the expansion draft the following yr or his contract if he has a great first yr. Tkachuk, Brown & Batherson will all need a new contract in two yrs. Not to say he couldn't make the team out of camp, I just think it's unlikely given all the one way UFA contracts they need to showcase & move.

I totally agree with the potential for that too. I don’t see the whole “send them all down to win a Calder” to be that beneficial. It may be more likely they don’t even make the playoffs than they win the Calder (with Brown).

 

[JD1]

Ya the one ways might be a problem

While I agree with you it wouldn't be the first time someone was sent down until there was room made on the roster for them. He is young enough that he won't have to clear waivers & who knows exactly what the plan is, not just with this team but with the organization. Maybe they want Brown in Belleville to give them a good chance of winning the Calder Cup which could give the organization a huge boost given the NHL team is going to be so crappy next season. Maybe it has something to do with the expansion draft the following yr or his contract if he has a great first yr. Tkachuk, Brown & Batherson will all need a new contract in two yrs. Not to say he couldn't make the team out of camp, I just think it's unlikely given all the one way UFA contracts they need to showcase & move.

Ya the one ways might be a problem

I think it's bad karma to hold a guy back from an nhl paycheque if he appears ready

 

[aragorn]

Ya the one ways might be a problem


Ya the one ways might be a problem

I think it's bad karma to hold a guy back from an NHL pay cheque if he appears ready

Yes, but it's only temporary until the deadline, especially if they want them to learn something at the AHL level which will benefit them in the NHL. Remember Brown was brought up for a number of games last yr & made an NHL salary to keep him hungry.

Clearly some of these guys & Brown included will need to be much better defensively & maybe that is something they want him to get much better at before bringing him up again as well as making roster room. But if he is clearly the best centre at camp they will make room for him regardless, I just have a tough time thinking that will be the case with Brown. I expect that the veteran Anisimov should be the best centre at camp & Pageau, White or Tierny the next best centres since all have much more NHL experience, but we will see.