The body only has so much protein (intake limit from diet) available to grow organ tissue, muscles, heal, supply the immune system, etc, etc. If you put a muscle-growth load on your body, it definitely does compromise the others. You'd have to have an extremely protein-rich diet to supply muscle growth and normal tissue regeneration and immune system function while going through a growth spurt.
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The body only has so much protein (intake limit from diet) available to grow organ tissue, muscles, heal, supply the immune system, etc, etc. If you put a muscle-growth load on your body, it definitely does compromise the others. You'd have to have an extremely protein-rich diet to supply muscle growth and normal tissue regeneration and immune system function while going through a growth spurt.
If he shows like he did this preseason and his few regular season games I think he is a lock to make the team.
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Hard not to get excited thinking about this big kid.
He's a lock to be a center here, but then you have White/Chlapik/Batherson all centers coming up. Who's converted to the wing?
He's a lock to be a center here, but then you have White/Chlapik/Batherson all centers coming up. Who's converted to the wing?
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He's our best top 6 prospect at this point. Give him some time on the top 6 and the pp and he will produce points better than any other forward prospect we have
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I don't see why every propsect has to go to the AHL. he spent 4 game here this season figuring out the NHL and looked good in a limited role with anchors tied to either side of him.
why do you say that?
I think he learned the speed of the NHL game during his 4 game stint here. He's showing elite vision and talent this season in the OHL & should be a lock for our team next season. Hopefully we ship out Brassard for a nice return so he can slot into our top 6 right away with other skilled players.
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how so?
neither of these two have earned a roster spot. I also don't think either of them are as highly touted as Brown is.
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You need to earn thw right to play in the NHL and do so confidently. Far too often this management has pushed a young high end pick to the NHL when they weren't ready. Cowen, Ceci, Zib, Lazar etc. I have nothing wrong with the Sens giving prospects a shot at the NHL but they need to be ready. Time in the AHL allows young guys to learn the NHL game, develop them, let them make mistakes and play big minutes all of which boosts their confidence so they are ready for the NHL.
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^agree. Just that in Logan's case specifically I don't see the real long term benefit over learning in the NHL. Like I say, a few games may be all he needs to get up to speed or training and practicing with Ottawa could do that for him.
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Brown needs to become accustomed to the pro game and pro lifestyle. He has an immense skillset, he should learn how to properly use that in a pro game.
He's no Chabot in terms of where they were, Brown is 6-6 and still isn't grown into his body. He should spend time in the AHL where he can develop his skills and learn the pro game. Chabot was ready for the NHL, and will learn from playing time. He had the skills, and the pro game already. Brown is in a situation like White, except instead of developing his skills in the AHL like White, he would be developing his game to a pro level. Give him 20-40 games in the AHL to adjust to the bigger men, let him understand what can and can't be done in the pros that he could do with ease in junior.
He's an NHL player in regards to talent, but he is the type of prospect that would benefit from seasoning in the minors.
Cowen - Negative Hockey Sense
Ceci - Minimal Hockey Sense
Lazar - Negative Hockey Sense
Zib - Average/Questionable Hockey Sense
These guys were not rushed, they just would not have benefited from the AHL that guys like Chlapik/Brown/Batherson/Jaros/White would. They all understand the game, and all have skillsets that can be developed and adjusted to the pro game. Lazar would have been the exact same. He just didn't have the brain to know what to do with the puck. He is all hustle and all heart, which he showed everywhere he played. Difference is that in the NHL 95% of the players have good hockey sense, and they can't be pushed around like the kids in junior could.
The one thing the AHL will not help you develop is hockey sense. You either have it or you don't. Luckily, Brown has that in spades. He would be down there to develop his skillset and pro game in a professional atmosphere.
Not going to debate this but please stop posting nonsense. Or conversely, point to one actual peer reviewed study that backs up your claim. It just simply isn’t true.
You most certainly can and actually should lift weights as a teenager. It won’t stunt your growth.
JungleBeat
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Brown’s pretty weak in my viewings. Tage Thompson is the same size but weighs 185 pounds and looks stronger.
Brown will not start with the team in the NHL. It's just not how we do things. Chalapik and White 100% will have roster spots next year. This year is their audition, next year is Browns and Formenton. Brown/Form will have full roster spots by 2019-20.
That's the way the org does things now. Book it.
That's the way the org does things now. Book it.
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Brown will be added to the Ottawa lineup as soon as he's needed. He's as ready as anyone we have. Book it.
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We just sent Chabot to start in the AHL with Oduya/Claesson/Wideman/Boro on the roster.
Brown will have Duchene/Brassard/Pageau/Thompson. Not happening.
If we send the better, more ready prospect down with those guys up, there is zero chance Brown starts here with 4 legit NHL centres on the roster under contract.
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Don't play our prospects until they are our legit best option for a regular shift. You wanna be in the world's best league? You gotta be better than whats on the wire and at least a couple guys on the roster. Prove you can do it for 6-12 months consistently in the A. Kick down the door and stick. None of this cup of coffee shit. That 13th forward spot should be for guys playing their last games in the NHL, not their first.
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But what does this do to his skating? There has to be quite a difference working on skating skills between a kid who gradually adds strength in his mid-teen years vs. a kid who never hit the weights and suddenly starts putting on muscle at 18+.
Edit: I think we do need to put Brown in the AHL for a season. Even though he is big, he doesn't have much strength, so he is at higher risk than average of getting injured playing against men. Giving him a year in the A to help the transition of playing against men will likely prevent issues down the road. Remember, we're already dealing with a kid who has quite an injury history.
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God, let the kid play in the NHL next year. Could he really be any worse or more frustrating to watch than Brassard? Let's get the future here in 18-19 - Chabot, White, Brown, Batherson, Jaros and maybe Formenton - and play the snot out of them. I'd rather lose watching those kids develop than watching @#$#ing Burrows, Thompson and Oduya.....
We are back to black/white arguments.
If Brown is as good or better in the preseason/handful of games to start year next season as he was this season I think the Senators really need to consider letting him grow his game in Ottawa. He could have a huge off season of strength gains and add a bit more quickness so we can't discount his ability to force his way on to the team.
That said, he may well get sent down and I won't have an issue with it at all...except for the fact that Belleville is a joke and we don't seem to actually develop players right now, we simply carry them on the roster...
If Brown is as good or better in the preseason/handful of games to start year next season as he was this season I think the Senators really need to consider letting him grow his game in Ottawa. He could have a huge off season of strength gains and add a bit more quickness so we can't discount his ability to force his way on to the team.
That said, he may well get sent down and I won't have an issue with it at all...except for the fact that Belleville is a joke and we don't seem to actually develop players right now, we simply carry them on the roster...
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I think next year Belleville should have more prospects to make the team better. As it stands right now there aren't enough prospects there but next year will be a different story.
He should start in the NHL next year!
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I wanted to think of Brown as kind of like Benn or Scheifele growing into that big power forward over their early twenties.
But the guy is too skilled a playmaker at this age already. He has top notch vision.
I just don't see this guy not making a huge impact for Ottawa over the years if he stays healthy (double negative). I just can't see it. He might flame out for some unforeseen reason as happens sometimes, but man if he doesn't he is the definition of big and skilled.
That decision to drop down in the draft, I don't know who it was but they took Mcleod and then I think McCavoy was taken. Dang, they might be reeling about that one in a couple of years.
edit: It was home of the Boss, New Jersey. Imagine Hischier Brown down the middle there, Brown wouldn't even have to skate with all of the speed they already have.
But the guy is too skilled a playmaker at this age already. He has top notch vision.
I just don't see this guy not making a huge impact for Ottawa over the years if he stays healthy (double negative). I just can't see it. He might flame out for some unforeseen reason as happens sometimes, but man if he doesn't he is the definition of big and skilled.
That decision to drop down in the draft, I don't know who it was but they took Mcleod and then I think McCavoy was taken. Dang, they might be reeling about that one in a couple of years.
edit: It was home of the Boss, New Jersey. Imagine Hischier Brown down the middle there, Brown wouldn't even have to skate with all of the speed they already have.
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Lol if the dude was able to get games this season then a year older he is definitely gonna start with the team. Especially if the team decides to get rid of Brassard. That's a huge hole at the Top 6, and he will thrive in that spot. Enough of this Lazar bullshit argument, he sucked because he didn't have any skills or hockey sense to develop in the first place, not because he didn't play 50 games in the AHL.
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