Little break from the proposal discussions...

Discussion in 'Fugu's Business of Hockey Forum' started by cws, Dec 10, 2004.

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  1. cws

    cws ...in the drink

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    I used to be a part of this site below, and from time to time I check back just for the hell of it. There are a handful of people there (literally) that I came to respect. The author of this piece is one of them.

    I don't agree with all of his opinions. He has never agreed with all of mine. Different strokes. But we've always had respect for what the other has to say; that does mean quite a bit.

    Make of this what you will, I expect nothing less than genuine honesty.

    http://www.hockeytraderumors.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4939
     
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    me2 Calling out the crap

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    With regards to 1st one, yes it is voluntary to join the NHLPA and yes the NHLPA may force a player to pay the fee even if they don't join. If the player was paying 100% of the union fee then the union has to justify the amount, so that means the player would likely be able to claim his share of the unions benefits (ie retirement plans etc). If the union wants to cut him out of these it has to reduce the amount charged accordingly.

    Well that is how it normally works in a lot of areas.
     
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    You don't know what you're talking about.

    You don't know what you're talking about.

    Seriously, why did you post this when none of it was true?
     
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    Personally, I got as far as his 'svengali' crack before giving up. If he can't keep personal dislike for one of the principals out of his analysis that early in his argument... well, it doesn't bode well for an even-handed discussion.
     
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    The whole post was absurd, and amateur-ish. An insight free zone. I'm glad he's identified 2.5 million in potential savings through elimination per diems. That should just about do the trick...hockey by the end of next week?
     
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    LOL I agree. $3m across the entire league is $100K per team. M'eh, it barely rates.
     
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    Um, it's way more than that. Like most, he completely blew the math. You don't get per diems only on game day. You get it *every* day you're away from home. Even on the travel days if you leave before noon etc, if you read it. http://www.nhlcbanews.com/cba/article19.html
    Note they still get it even if you feed them on the airplane or bus, etc.

    So, assuming half the season is spent on the road, that's around 3 months. Therefore, the math should be more like 90 days * $85 * 23 players or so = $175 grand per team, or around $5.25 million for the league. That's just regular season, playoffs would add another million or so, won't bother to do the math.

    Though small, it is ridiculous. It's a holdover from the 50's.
     
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    Its not that bad, check out what many firms pay for travel and food. $85 a day for food is above normal but far from exhorbitant.
     
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    Wow what a great Pro-owner article. I stopped reading it half way through when he talked about IRBE on the players board...so he is a backup goalie...that means he doesnt know buisness or hes NOT allowed to since hes only a backup goalie? What a joke that article was.
     
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    Unlike the "informed" and "un-biased" views often seen here? They never slam certain people for little or no reason, now do they?

    Parts of the article were over the top, sure. He's a fan with an opinion, what do you expect? The ultimate in objectivity, not even close. And if you'd like, you can relay your sentiments to the author. I'm sure he'd be happy to discuss his writing with you (that's a not so subtle hint that he'll give you much more of a rough time than I will, just wanted to make sure you got that).

    Many of the posts here have good intentions, many of them are still a joke. For some of us, using that line carries little weight.

    "People who live in glass houses..."
     
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    The difference being, we're talking about multi-millionaires, vs some average joe making $50 grand a year.

    It's a perk that was given to them when hockey players *were* average joes, and actually needed per diems to survive.
     
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