Lineup Shuffle

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  1. WestCoastLeafs

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    There will always be a third best player on the line. There will always be a scapegoat.
     
  2. Maple Leafs

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    You guys forget Babcock is giving Matthews the 2nd line matchups.
     
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    Get Matty going.

    Matthews - Tavares - Marner
    Hyman - Nylander - Kapanen
    Marleau - Kadri - Johnsson
    Brown - Gauthier - Ennis
     
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    He got a little banged up Sunday, is missing practice, but expected to play Tuesday. That’s a pretty minor concern IMO.

    Also, he’s played 47 of 56 games this year, and 71-77 games each of the past 3 years. Very standard health wise.
     
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    He does have ongoing concussion issues. 2 this season. Here's hoping for good health.
     
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    Ah, didn’t know they were both concussions, that’s more concerning. He would be a great fit though, might be worth the risk if the price is right.
     
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    Winner winner chicken dinner
     
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    A couple of different options to consider.

    1. Top-Heavy

    Johnsson - Tavares - Marner
    Nylander - Matthews - Kapanen (WN has played LW well in the past)
    Hyman - Kadri - Brown (the shutdown checking line; it'll give Kadri a role again)
    Marleau - Goat - Ennis

    2. Balanced Lineup

    Brown - Tavares - Marner
    Hyman - Matthews - Nylander (this has worked before)
    Johnsson - Kadri - Kapanen
    Marleau - Goat - Ennis

    I would also be excited for Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander, although I worry they're all small and/or afraid.
     
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    I am not arguing that line would do better possession wise than the line consisting of Marleau or other alternatives. I am suggesting that a type of player which we are lacking would be better with Matthews and Nylander. We could use a skilled net front presence to help drive traffic to the net. Matthews scores the majority of his goals from in close... why not try to get him som help there. Johnsson and Nylander both are very perimiter players. This is good for possession metrics but may not always generate the most scoring.
     
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    1st line: Hyman Tavares Marner-Line works. Nuff said

    2nd line: Johnsson Matthews Nylander

    Matthews needs a set up man. He can't seem to drive his own line. Which is sad given how much he's getting paid but its the truth since he's come back from injury. Get Nylander back with him. Throw AJ on their wing to as Marleau sucks

    3rd line: Marleau Kadri Kapanen

    -Marleau isn't getting put on the 4th line so best to just put him back with Kadri

    4th line: Moore Goat Brown

    -Think they'd make a effective 4th line. Get Moore back up please.
     
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    moore.
     
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    He has his consecutive games streak that doesn't allow a 39 year old to have a game off for maintenance.
     
  13. JT AM da real deal

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    You will kill the 3rd line again. Kadri playing with brown and willy has been our most effective unit past few games. As soon as you put Marleau back there it will kill that line again. Bottom line Matty needs to up his game or sit. He is not giving his all.. Once he starts to play properly again that line will be fine. He has driven his own line no problem in recent past. Right now we have 2 solid lines and Matty can easily up his game. Our 4th line is also fine. There is no issue here except Matty getting his game back. And at his money he better find his game pretty quick.
     
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    Ya gotta believe Moore gets in - perhaps after trade deadline?
     
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    I feel Kapanen is a better version of Hyman playing on the matthews line. I just feel we should stop shuffling the third line to get the top lines going. Treat the team as a three prong attack.
    I don't understand the logic of moving a player up when he has been doing well with Kadri. Marleau and now Nylander seem to have shown chemistry with him so why keep moving them? Just let that be our super strong third line. Matthews has enough good winger options in Kapanen and AJ.

    For me this should be ideal
    Hyman JT Marner
    AJ AM Kap
    Marleau Naz Nylander
    Brown GOAT lindholm/ennis

    I would maybe give goat a try on Kadri's wing in place of marleau to see what a big body does to his play.
     
  16. JT AM da real deal

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    This is not true. When Marleau was moved off Kadri's line to start break and brown moved on it the line started producing points. The issue is Marleau had 3 strong games with Matty to start the break and now his back is out of alignment again. And Matty is suffering. But he needs to pick himself up even if playing short handed. Since Marleau is a HOFer no one wants to move him to the 4th line where he really belongs now. It is not his fault it is his back. He gets it worked on hard with chiro between 1st and 2nd and then takes ice baths before the 3rd to try to loosen it up.
     
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    Leafs were tied for 6th. overall in the NHL last year.

    Leafs replaced Bozak with Tavares
    van Riemsdyk with Kapanen

    Leafs are now 6th. overall in the NHL.

    Did we expect to see improvement when they made those transactions?

    Johnsson - Tavares - Kapanen
    Hyman - Matthews - Nylander
    Marleau - Kadri - Marner
    don't - care - here
    Ennis, Lindholm, Gauthier, Brown, Moore

    Are the best Leafs assets even in the line-up?
     
  18. ToneDog

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    Can't even sit him out to rest him for the playoffs because he has the streak. Something will have to be done in the offseason because you cannot carry him another year you think you have a shot at the SC.
     
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    With the way Nylander has played lately, he deserves a shot at playing with Matthews again. Also, time to move Marleau down the lineup. He's killing the first line and can contribute more when playing against lesser competition.

    Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander
    Hyman-Tavares-Marner
    Marleau-Kadri-Kapanen
    Ennis-Gauthier-Brown
    Lindholm

    Muzzin-Rielly
    Gardiner-Zaitsev
    Dermott-Hainsey
    Ozhiganov

    Andersen
    Sparks
     
  20. janesy12

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    Babcock's refusal to change anything is the problem here. His stubbornness hurts this team IMO.
    Almost all of Leafs nation, and members of the media were begging to try Marner with Matthews to give the team a boost and he finally did that.In his first interview with the media he acknowledged the change, and being his own stubborn, proud self he stated it probably wouldn't last long. Maybe not even after warm-ups.

    Johnsson is on fire and in his last 4 games he's played 11:51, 9:31, 13:01, and 13:40 with 4 goals and 3 assists. Meanwhile Marleau seems to have AM anchored down and he refuses to change the line.
    Marleau in his last 4 games has played 16:11, 14:24, 16:03 and 16:14 with 1 assist. It's stubbornness, and pride that's hurting this team.
     
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    Marleau's first 3 games back with Matty after the week long+ break he got 4 points and played like a HOFer.

    His last 3 games with Matty his game has gone invisible again. A total passenger.

    He needs to play a week then break a week to rest his back and then play a week and so forth. He can't do it night in night out. His back won't allow it.
     
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    I agree on the age part, I only hope he can save himself for the playoff period.
    I also feel two three games are NOT a big enough sample to make conclusions. He was on the Matthews line for most part of the initial season and didn't do well at all. Looked somewhat better with Naz though. Brown on the other hand had been absolutely horrible to start of season and has only looked great in short bursts that too after being demoted to the fourth line duties. I would much rather play Moore or Ennis up the line-up in place of Brown.
     
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    I like Moore right now more than both Marleau and Brown but that is a pipe dream which will never happen with Babs
     
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    I could understand if he was going to break Doug Jarvis's record but unless he plays beyond next season that isn't possible so his pursuit of 3rd or 4th longest hurts the team
     
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    Jarvis' streak would be a tougher one to break. I could be wrong, but I think Gordie Howe's all time GP streak is the one being referred to.
     

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