Lineup for the rest of the season

onetimerguy

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Let’s get a consensus from us fans of what you’d like to see for the rest of the season. Not that coach won’t change it period by period. How about;
9-18-13
19-95-28
71-38-77
37-10-20
65-3
8-58
4-14
 

EDM

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Makes waaaaaaayyyy too much sense. Acme Power Line Mixer 4.0 can be far more creative and non productive than that.
 

majormajor

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I agree in the near term for sure. Small tweaks might be good as they go though, as much as I'm afraid Torts won't let the lines gel.

I'm willing to give Dzingel a few more games but he doesn't go the rest of the year in the lineup if he doesn't start figuring it out. I'd happily swap Eric Robinson in directly for him.

9-18-13
xx-95-28
71-38-77

But I'm also not seeing any reason to change this setup. I'm seeing a lot of players who are worse when they're not with each other.

The fourth line I'm not worried about as long as Dubinsky isn't on it.
 

Long Live Lyle

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Let’s get a consensus from us fans of what you’d like to see for the rest of the season. Not that coach won’t change it period by period. How about;
9-18-13
19-95-28
71-38-77
37-10-20
65-3
8-58
4-14

I’d prefer 50 to 20 (and maybe 20 in place of 37, but I could take it or leave it) but other than that I like both your forward lines and D pairs. With Murray, I’d go:

8-3
27-65
4-58

With 27 and 3 together and double-shifted in the last ~10 minutes if we’re leading.
 

MoeBartoli

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9-18-13
19-95-28
71-38-77
37/50-10-45

8-3
65-58
4-14

and when (if?) Murr gets healthy:

8-3
27-65
4-58
I'm with you on the forwards and D without Murray, but when Murray is back I'd pair him with Zach and use Nuti with Seth. Zach and Seth together have very poor WAR numbers in the study done by Alison Lukan.
 
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9-18-13
19-95-28 (for at least 10 or so games, if Dzingel doesn't figure it out not sure what backup plan is)
71-38-77
50-10-37/20

Murray out:
8-3
65-58
4-14

Murray in:
8-3
27-65
4-58

Like Lyle said, if Murray is in and we have a lead, pair him with Seth to preserve lead. I think Robinson has earned a spot, kid deserves a goal though! Would like to see these lines stick to allow time to gel, but like most have said... line blender is imminent.
 
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I'm with you on the forwards and D without Murray, but when Murray is back I'd pair him with Zach and use Nuti with Seth. Zach and Seth together have very poor WAR numbers in the study done by Alison Lukan.

The issue there is that Zach and Murray are both better on the left side, that's why we've never seen them tried together. Nuti is the most dextrous guy, he can twist his body around in a hurry. You're right that Zach and Seth have fallen apart this year. They have strong corsi but bad goals against numbers, which is usually a sign that there's too much risk taking ( I think we have already described that clearly, seeing it with our eyes ). Here's the results for every go-to pairing this year:

D PairingMinutesCF%GF%
27-34325057
8-35705441
65-583045052
8-583995061
27-654625053
[TBODY] [/TBODY]


Conclusions: Murray has been our best D this year, and Savard continues to be underrated. I called Savard a #4D the other day, well that's pretty good results for a #4. The best top-4 combos from this:

27-3
8-58

Third pair is a bit of a quandary though - Nuti, Harry, and Kukan all have good numbers but not with each other.

* Are we even expecting Murray back this month? Damn important player.

** I'm plugging all of these combinations in manually at naturalstattrick, if anyone knows of a website that does this automatically for a given team, please let me know.
 
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I'm very curious as to how Torts will handle the goalie situation, with back-back games coming up twice this week, and Boston (who are on a 19-game point streak) being the 2nd opponent both times, with the first opponent being an arguably more crucial Metro matchup (NYI & CAR).

Does Bob play the front end and Korpi play the back end of both?
 

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I'm very curious as to how Torts will handle the goalie situation, with back-back games coming up twice this week, and Boston (who are on a 19-game point streak) being the 2nd opponent both times, with the first opponent being an arguably more crucial Metro matchup (NYI & CAR).

Does Bob play the front end and Korpi play the back end of both?

Wouldn’t be surprised if Torts drives Bob into the ground and starts him every game
 
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Robert

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The numbers are killing me.... :eek:

I like names...:)

That said.. In the end lines and numbers won't matter much, except for one number... 72

At this point of the season the best goalies in the league will be on the teams that win...
 
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I can't believe that someone is suggesting that Robinson, who has never scored an NHL goal, should be substituted for Dzingel who has 23 goals this season in the NHL. That is sort of mind-boggling.
I only see that in one spot, and it was only if Dzingel continues to slump. And last night gave some hope that he's back on track and that such a move might be unnecessary.
 

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I can't believe that someone is suggesting that Robinson, who has never scored an NHL goal, should be substituted for Dzingel who has 23 goals this season in the NHL. That is sort of mind-boggling.

To be fair, Robinson has been robbed on a number of occasions, he could easily have potted a few in the limited minutes he's had so far - just hasn't had the bounces go his way. Not that I'm saying he should play over Dzingel, but I wouldn't use no NHL goals as a case against Robinson. He's looked great with the minutes he's had.
 

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I think Robinson is a terrific looking prospect and very likely to be on the team next year. I would not, however, turn to him in a playoff race over a proven 20+ goal scorer.
 

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To me if the team is firing on all cylinders then you'd prefer a Dzingel in there to bury more chances.

If they're playing like they were last week then it's a different situation. They were getting outplayed, outmuscled, couldn't forecheck, couldn't even move the puck out of the zone. The problem wasn't a lack of 20 goal scorers, even if Dzingel was taken out of the lineup, we'd have 5, which is more than any other club. Duchene and Bjorkstrand didn't need help finishing, they needed help getting started. Eric Robinson tilts the ice, which gives opportunities to the scorers.

In any case, I hope the team has figured out the basics, in which case we can hope Robinson is in on the 4th line.
 

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Bread PLD Cam
Dzingle Duchene Anderson
Fligs Jenner Bjorkstrand
Nash/Robinson Wennberg Dubi

Murray Jones
Z Savard
Mcquaid/Harry Nuti

Bob
Korpi
Kincaid

I dont see how people can argue to not have Dubi in you are absolutely insane. For what he brings in energy and hitting alone he is worth his 4th line minutes but most importantly he is the best FO man in the f***ing league since the start of Feb at 60%!!! Think about how important that is for PK and late game D zone starts. PLD can play a little D but his FO is barely 50% on his best nights, Wennberg can play the D extremely well but is dogshit at FO, and Duchene is our best FO guy in general but we need him for the Ozone starts. Dubi gives us a specialist out there almost while not needing huge minutes but can give them if need be.

I get that its cool to hate our vets because they arent as fast as they used to be while making 5mil but you NEED those guys. The vet leaders that chip in here and there but have that anger and energy and WANT to win and want to win HERE. i get that if it was up to some of you Dubi and Fligs would be moved to bring in Bremstrom and Texier and have a rule no one over 30 but IMO without the Dubis of the league you dont win a cup.
 

majormajor

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mikeyp24:

I dont see how people can argue to not have Dubi in you are absolutely insane.

Thanks for the diagnosis. Didn't know you were a shrink.

For what he brings in energy and hitting alone he is worth his 4th line minutes

I suppose he technically burns more energy just to move half as far, but I don't think that is what we want in terms of energy. And hitting the boards a la Jared Boll is also not what we had in mind. You have to get there in time to hit a player on the other team for it to matter. Hannikainen is much better at that.

but most importantly he is the best FO man in the ****ing league since the start of Feb at 60%!!! PLD can play a little D but his FO is barely 50% on his best nights, Wennberg can play the D extremely well but is dog**** at FO

Wennberg is much better at D than Dubinsky, he's also pretty damn close to 50% at faceoffs. 48%, or two extra losses per one hundred draws, is not "dogshit". It's insignificant. Faceoffs in general are overrated. It's a problem when someone is <45% but we have much better options to sub in for the draw.

, and Duchene is our best FO guy in general but we need him for the Ozone starts.

Duchene isn't even tired. He played, what, 13 or 14 minutes last night? Jenner and Foligno are also in the high 50s in faceoff win%.

without the Dubis of the league you dont win a cup.

I don't think you can go far with him in the lineup. This year he has been on the ice for 11 goals for, and 32 goals against. It's the highest goals against rate of any regular on a team in a playoff spot. It's little wonder that the Jackets have a sterling record without him.




Bolded it. @MikeyP
 

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Without Dzingel practicing, Eric Robinson is skating at LW on the fourth line with Dubinsky and Bjorkstrand/Hannikainen on the right. Third line same as #Bruins game: Sedlak-Jenner-Nash; top line remains intact.

So according to Hedger - top line is the same, Line 2 is Wenny, Duchene, Anderson. Line 3 is Sedlak, Janner, Nash. Line 4 Bjorkstrand splitting time with Hannikainen Dubi and Robinson.

I'm sorry. You take out Dzing cause he is hurt and Foligno is MIA, so you demote Bjork to the 4th. This coach has to have sustained some serious head injury. I will not watch this $hit show.

Should be same 1st line - Line 2 Ollie, Duchene, Anderson - Line 3 Robinson, Jenner, mix up whoever with what's left Seds, Dubi, Hanni, and Nash. You promote a recent scratch who refuses to shoot to line 2, and send someone who can score to the 4th line????
 

majormajor

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Without Dzingel practicing, Eric Robinson is skating at LW on the fourth line with Dubinsky and Bjorkstrand/Hannikainen on the right. Third line same as #Bruins game: Sedlak-Jenner-Nash; top line remains intact.

So according to Hedger - top line is the same, Line 2 is Wenny, Duchene, Anderson. Line 3 is Sedlak, Janner, Nash. Line 4 Bjorkstrand splitting time with Hannikainen Dubi and Robinson.

I'm sorry. You take out Dzing cause he is hurt and Foligno is MIA, so you demote Bjork to the 4th. This coach has to have sustained some serious head injury. I will not watch this $hit show.

Should be same 1st line - Line 2 Ollie, Duchene, Anderson - Line 3 Robinson, Jenner, mix up whoever with what's left Seds, Dubi, Hanni, and Nash. You promote a recent scratch who refuses to shoot to line 2, and send someone who can score to the 4th line????

A few thoughts:

1) Dzingel is actually playing, not that much has changed.

2) I agree with you, Bjorkstrand deserves better. He's been one of our best scorers of late and barely ever gets scored on. But one or two mistakes and Torts has him typecast and cuts his minutes.

3) I'd actually be curious how Wennberg would do as #2LW. It's been fun watching him strip pucks lately, and it's not like that line couldn't use a defensive conscience.

4) Torts' mixing in Sedlak, Wennberg, and Hannikainen throughout the roster doesn't help our scoring punch but it gives us good defensive players that smother the opposition. My only regret is that Torts can't tell the difference between them and Dubinsky in that regard (he can't defend).
 
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MoeBartoli

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mikeyp24:

I dont see how people can argue to not have Dubi in you are absolutely insane.

Thanks for the diagnosis. Didn't know you were a shrink.

For what he brings in energy and hitting alone he is worth his 4th line minutes

I suppose he technically burns more energy just to move half as far, but I don't think that is what we want in terms of energy. And hitting the boards a la Jared Boll is also not what we had in mind. You have to get there in time to hit a player on the other team for it to matter. Hannikainen is much better at that.

but most importantly he is the best FO man in the ****ing league since the start of Feb at 60%!!! PLD can play a little D but his FO is barely 50% on his best nights, Wennberg can play the D extremely well but is dog**** at FO

Wennberg is much better at D than Dubinsky, he's also pretty damn close to 50% at faceoffs. 48%, or two extra losses per one hundred draws, is not "dog****". It's insignificant. Faceoffs in general are overrated. It's a problem when someone is <45% but we have much better options to sub in for the draw.

, and Duchene is our best FO guy in general but we need him for the Ozone starts.

Duchene isn't even tired. He played, what, 13 or 14 minutes last night? Jenner and Foligno are also in the high 50s in faceoff win%.

without the Dubis of the league you dont win a cup.

I don't think you can go far with him in the lineup. This year he has been on the ice for 11 goals for, and 32 goals against. It's the highest goals against rate of any regular on a team in a playoff spot. It's little wonder that the Jackets have a sterling record without him.




Bolded it. @MikeyP
Regarding Dubi....make that now 11 goals for and 33 goals against......But here we go using numbers to argue against what is EVERYBODY knows is clear - Dubi is needed out there for his defense.
 
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