LeBrun: Lightning and Point haven’t had much discussion [Mod warning in OP]

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Please remember: this is NOT a Point vs. any player thread, let alone a Lightning vs. team, or fanbase vs. fanbase thread.

This is about Point and his contract. If you have a comparable you'd like to suggest, go ahead and post it with your reasoning. If you don't like a comparable you see in this thread, please feel free to move on.


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This is the one that surprises me the most. I think because of the culture established in Tampa with the contracts that Nikita Kucherov, Victor Hedman and Andrei Vasilevskiy signed, I had that feeling that Point might be the first of the high-end RFAs to ink a deal this summer.
I was wrong.
Both Tampa GM Julien BriseBois and Point’s agent Gerry Johansson declined to comment on how talks were going. My sense, quite frankly, is that there haven’t been that many discussions this summer between the sides. But that certainly should change now with the specter of camp around the corner.
Johansson, I’m told, is meeting with Point on Wednesday in Calgary to further strategize with his client.
Point had a hip procedure done after the season but it sounds like he’s right on schedule in his recovery and should be ready for the start of the season.
 
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From something like March or something, the only info we got was that Tampa wants 3 years, Point wants 5. I am betting BriseBois is taking the hard line in the sand stance that Yzerman took with Stamkos.
 

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I don't know why this is constantly written about as if it's some great paradigm shift.

Only 13 players who signed their second contracts under the salary cap (2005-06 and forward) have achieved a 1.0 point per game season (minimum 41 games) or better prior to signing that contract. 9 (69%) of those contracts were 5 years or less. 8 of which were exactly 5 years.

5 players fitting the same criteria are RFAs this summer. The last time there were this many elite RFAs at the same time was... never. The next closest was 2008 with 3 (Crosby, Ovi, Getzlaf).

There's no "overhaul" going on. There's just a lot of very good players trying to sign contracts this summer. And this very simple analysis isn't even including some other extremely good players who fall just short of the mark.

Edit: Removed Hall from the count, his 7 year deal was signed in the summer of 2012, before he had his point per game season.
 
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I know players that don't have a contract usually don't train with the team (risking injury, etc), but if he's an RFA can he go to camp if he wanted to? Or is it only for players on active contracts/try-outs?
 

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I know players that don't have a contract usually don't train with the team (risking injury, etc), but if he's an RFA can he go to camp if he wanted to? Or is it only for players on active contracts/try-outs?

I believe Iginla went to training camp while in a contract holdout with the flames before. Doubt any of the current rfas take a chance in case they end up injured.
 

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I believe Iginla went to training camp while in a contract holdout with the flames before. Doubt any of the current rfas take a chance in case they end up injured.
Yup he got insurance for it. It's not very common tho and for a guy coming off their elc contract I dunno how they decide value when they are all going to get huge raises.
 
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Any one compared the salary towes, kane, etc got for their 5 years and adjust it for Marner, Tk, Ran, etc todays' contracts ?
What would it looks like for each ?


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Kane took 6.3M x 5, which is 10.61% of the cap space at the time,
Marner should take 8'954M x 5 for the same cap space %







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Matthews f***ed up this whole ELC 5 years thing big time if I look at the cap hit % at the time of Toews, Kane, etc.

IMO at this state MArner should have what Matthews took, same as Toews and Kane
 
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I don't know why this is constantly written about as if it's some great paradigm shift.

Only 13 players who signed their second contracts under the salary cap (2005-06 and forward) have achieved a 1.0 point per game season (minimum 41 games) or better prior to signing that contract. 9 (69%) of those contracts were 5 years or less. 8 of which were exactly 5 years.

5 players fitting the same criteria are RFAs this summer. The last time there were this many elite RFAs at the same time was... never. The next closest was 2008 with 3 (Crosby, Ovi, Getzlaf).

There's no "overhaul" going on. There's just a lot of very good players trying to sign contracts this summer. And this very simple analysis isn't even including some other extremely good players who fall just short of the mark.

Edit: Removed Hall from the count, his 7 year deal was signed in the summer of 2012, before he had his point per game season.

However, it's also easier to hit 1.0 per game than it has been in most other cap era seasons.
 

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I believe Iginla went to training camp while in a contract holdout with the flames before. Doubt any of the current rfas take a chance in case they end up injured.

Thanks, I didn't think anyone would, just wondering if they could. I'm guessing the players union probably frowns on it too.
 

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Yup he got insurance for it. It's not very common tho and for a guy coming off their elc contract I dunno how they decide value when they are all going to get huge raises.

I think Ristolainen attended the training camp with Buffalo in similar situation to Point?

But they don't have the insurance going at that point, and are risking a lot of money.
 

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I think Ristolainen attended the training camp with Buffalo in similar situation to Point?

But they don't have the insurance going at that point, and are risking a lot of money.
He may have , a bunch of them are still going to other camps and whatever tho and it's a risk as well . I believe johnny hockey was playing in the nhl world cup thing without a contract as well but didn't go to the flames camp .

I think it's more of a solidarity negotiating thing over them bubble wrapping themselves up thing tbh.
 

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Any one compared the salary towes, kane, etc got for their 5 years and adjust it for Marner, Tk, Ran, etc todays' contracts ?
What would it looks like for each ?


edit:

Kane took 6.3M x 5, which is 10.61% of the cap space at the time,
Marner should take 8'954M x 5 for the same cap space %







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Matthews ****ed up this whole ELC 5 years thing big time if I look at the cap hit % at the time of Toews, Kane, etc.

IMO at this state MArner should have what Matthews took, same as Toews and Kane
Draisaitl, Eichel...
 

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”Both Tampa GM Julien BriseBois and Point’s agent Gerry Johansson declined to comment on how talks were going. My sense, quite frankly, is that there haven’t been that many discussions this summer between the sides. ”

So since they decline to comment he basically just has a feeling there have been no negotiations? I’m beginning to think I am working in the wrong industry.
 

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Lebrun has always been one of few insiders who gets TB things right. If he thinks this is the case, I'd rather bet on it than against it.
 
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AndreRoy

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”Both Tampa GM Julien BriseBois and Point’s agent Gerry Johansson declined to comment on how talks were going. My sense, quite frankly, is that there haven’t been that many discussions this summer between the sides. ”

So since they decline to comment he basically just has a feeling there have been no negotiations? I’m beginning to think I am working in the wrong industry.

Haven’t you heard? Actual reporting largely died out a long time ago. These days people just make up whatever they like, evidence be damned.
 

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Haven’t you heard? Actual reporting largely died out a long time ago. These days people just make up whatever they like, evidence be damned.

Although it appears that way, that's not the case. LeBrun is just dropping insight while protecting his sources and reputation.
 

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Although it appears that way, that's not the case. LeBrun is just dropping insight while protecting his sources and reputation.

Lebrun always seems to know more about us than he gives up. I've always suspected it was because he and Yzerman were buds. So I don't know what that means for now. He had a lot of insight into the MSL situation... but only after the fact, when he revealed things Yzerman told him ("I'm never doing this again," in a text, about the Olympics).

This could just be him spit-balling, but I really doubt it. He probably knows something, even if it's not much, that leads him to believe we haven't talked much to Point just yet.

Both sides might be in a waiting game. Point might be waiting for the RFA dam to break. We might be waiting for camp to open, because I don't think anybody believes Point wants to miss camp. We've seen what that does to a player's season.
 

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I personally wasnt expecting any real movement until this time, there was no benefit to either side. The only leverage RFAs have is to hold out. I imagine most will sign in the next few weeks, especially Point. Seems like term is the big issue with all of them.
 

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