Post-Game Talk: Lightening @ the Capital

[CapitalsCupReality]

Remember when Orlov requested a trade because of how poorly he was developed by Oates and treated by McPhee? Good times.

brutal...

 

[Raikkonen]

Yup. That was me. I think it was only me. I was saying that should Niskanen return to norms he was a more stabile player for the role AND that the Caps don't use Orlov's offensive upside because he is left handed that he could return far more than Niskanen.

I was concerned about Orlov on the PK. He is currently 6th on the defense in shtoi/g. but Reirden has found a way to leverage Siegenthaler in such a way as to minimize the lack of pk from both Orlov and Kempny

That's all. Things have worked out just fine.

Ive been telling that Siege isnt in competition with Kempny, Djoos, Fever and AA because this guy is Orpik light and others are not.

Also that Orlov isnt going to be replaced as game breaker while Carlson and Jensen can replace Niskanen's role.

Also Carlson getting to learn how to defend from Jensen is nice (the picture is clear now: Jensen gets to the sin bin and makes signs to Carlson where to skate on PK).

 

[Raikkonen]

he could be playing like a $7 mil+ a year guy in a different team scenario...

It was the right trade at the time by GMBM and Gudas is proving a nice add at a discount.

My syrupy hot take today, Orlov doesn’t end his NHL career as a Cap.

Hot take challenge accepted.

They form Orlov-AA pair, sign Dadonov and make it a Russian Six.

 

[Raikkonen]

Also I dont think Orlov is in any type of financial discomfort.

Ovechkin 9,6
Carlson 8,0
Kuznetsov 7,8
Backstrom 6,7
Holtby 6,1
Oshie 5,8
Orlov 5,1

Next is Eller with 3,5 I think (all numbers by memory)

I dont see how he would be not happy. He's got his long term security, a cup, a child and now is getting in his prime.

I dont see him leaving

Ps: he's not getting enough pp time. I think being friends with Ovi compensates that to some acceptable level.

 

[txpd]

Ive been telling that Siege isnt in competition with Kempny, Djoos, Fever and AA because this guy is Orpik light and others are not.

Also that Orlov isnt going to be replaced as game breaker while Carlson and Jensen can replace Niskanen's role.

Also Carlson getting to learn how to defend from Jensen is nice (the picture is clear now: Jensen gets to the sin bin and makes signs to Carlson where to skate on PK).

Carlson getting to learn how to defend from Jensen? Excuse me?

 

[tenken00]

Carlson getting to learn how to defend from Jensen? Excuse me?

That is all stemming from the Carlson doesnt belong with the elite defenseman thread haha.

 

[Raikkonen]

Well, stats lie, but if some certain hockey player cant establish himself until 27 years old something is surely wrong with him. Both Kempny and Jensen are in that category in the end.

 

[NobodyBeatsTheWiz]

Also I dont think Orlov is in any type of financial discomfort.

Ovechkin 9,6
Carlson 8,0
Kuznetsov 7,8
Backstrom 6,7
Holtby 6,1
Oshie 5,8
Orlov 5,1

Next is Eller with 3,5 I think (all numbers by memory)

I dont see how he would be not happy. He's got his long term security, a cup, a child and now is getting in his prime.

I dont see him leaving

Ps: he's not getting enough pp time. I think being friends with Ovi compensates that to some acceptable level.

Agree with your take. If Orlov's term were shorter, I think he likely wouldn't fit into the Caps' financial structure, as he's easily a $7M+ defenseman on the UFA market. But with his contract ending after the 2022-23 season, that allows for both salary cap increases and time to shuffle salary around to make room.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Hot take continuation....I think he’s moved before that last year.

 

[txpd]

That is all stemming from the Carlson doesnt belong with the elite defenseman thread haha.

Yes

 

[NobodyBeatsTheWiz]

Hot take continuation....I think he’s moved before that last year.

Barring a significant injury, no way. You don't trade a 20+ minute per night defenseman in his prime who has a $5.8M cap hit.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Barring a significant injury, no way. You don't trade a 20+ minute per night defenseman in his prime who has a $5.8M cap hit.

don’t be scared...we will have options. The return will be sweet. I’m suggesting it will happen before his last contract year. Have to give the buyer something. He will be 30 going on 31, looking for a large raise for his last big contract IMO.

 

[Raikkonen]

If his ask for the next term is reasonable, he will be extended. He did actually tolerate a lot to be a Cap. My feeling is that he wont ask for the moon and be willing to stay.

You cant win without vet defenders. Our 2,5M ones are a level or two below (and all will be 30+). You can trade Orlov but you need to get one back of the same caliber (which could be an overpayment).

 

[Stan Galiev]

Orlov is awesome. I hope he finishes is career here

 

[kicksavedave]

If his ask for the next term is reasonable, he will be extended. He did actually tolerate a lot to be a Cap. My feeling is that he wont ask for the moon and be willing to stay.

You cant win without vet defenders. Our 2,5M ones are a level or two below (and all will be 30+). You can trade Orlov but you need to get one back of the same caliber (which could be an overpayment).

This. The factor that will determine the Caps plans for Orlov is if/when AA and Fever grow into a top flight 2nd pair or even 1st pair caliber D man. We all seem to think they will be in the NHL soon but their specific growth into a dependable 2nd/3rd best Dman will allow the Caps to have flexibility with Orlov. Too soon to tell how this will all pan out. We kinda all know AA and Fever will bump a Gudas, Siegs, Jensen from their spot, but don't know if they could eventually replace what Orlov brings us.

 

[Ridley Simon]

So the Tampa game thread has devolved into a “Orlov will get dealt” thread?

ah....wut?

 

[SpinningEdge]

Eller moved in offseason to free up 3.5 and McMichael takes his spot. Cheaper with more upside.

 

[ALLCAPSALLTHETIME]

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So the Tampa game thread has devolved into a “Orlov will get dealt” thread?

ah....wut?

Yeah. Lol.

He had a good game. Therefore, he's gone.

 

[Raikkonen]

Cant wait while the price is high