Player Discussion Leon Draisaitl | 19-20 Art Ross, Ted Lindsay & Hart Trophy Winner | Congrats on 500 Career Points!

[GretzkytoKurri9917]

You should read the full thing you quote.

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[Oilers Propagandist]

Delete.

 

[GretzkytoKurri9917]

??

Posted a reply thinking you were taking a shot at Edmonton.

 

[Oilers Propagandist]

Posted a reply thinking you were taking a shot at Edmonton.

I got you, I would never do that. love this city lol.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Congrats Leon!

 

[GretzkytoKurri9917]

I got you, I would never do that. love this city lol.

That's good to hear because by goly I refuse to stand by and witness someone walk all over this city.

 

[Snipes45]

You have to be some kind of total loser or not have much going on in your life if you are going so hard on a forum trying to trash Draisaitl lol. Like seriously. Must have a pretty empty life.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

People keep saying Matthews. He wasn't even top 3. Crazy. Matthews is injury prone and I doubt he has many trophies in his career.

 

[LemmyUlanov55]

I know I'll need a few years to fully realize how special it is for a german player to win 3 major individual awards in the NHL. Even better it happend with the Oilers, wish I could've told this to my younger self about 20 years ago, would've saved me a lot of bad mood and stupid hockey arguing.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

He deserves all the praise he can get, what a year and what a player. I didn't realize this level of player was in Draisaitl, but, basically, never doubt him.

Edit: Remember the hand wringing about his contract and how expensive it was

 

[Drivesaitl]

To be fair, some of the best sports journalists in print media are journalism grads who have never played their sport at a high level.

Off the top of my head, I can think of LeBrun for hockey and Gab Marcotti for soccer.

He's more of a TV journo, but I believe McKenzie is a journalism grad as well.

I wasn't diminishing journalism school itself but I would question why anybody would spend time and money on that in present age when journalism is dead.

Next, somebody that takes journalism then just focuses on sports or hockey? Thats a bit sad almost always.

I mean I can see journalism if somebody has some passion to report and hilite important things and events going on in the world. Even David Staples maintains that much integrity.

But for somebody to come out of journalism school just for these sports gigs? I dunno.

I even googled reasons to go into sports journalism, the importance of it, and all I got was this article;

The Importance of Sports Journalism in Today's World | The Sport Digest

But this article surmises the importance of getting into sports journalism is largely about revealing and opposing the nature of pro sports. Not the usual feeding at the trough that we see. I mean specifically with the journalist we are talking about he's taking untenable positions for hits. I can be accused of doing that, I'm not on a paid gig here and not betraying any particular ethics posting anonymously here.

Sports journalism has historically been considered the "Toy department of journalism" Not taken very seriously.


In anycase my specific critique, like with so many hockey analytics purveyors do not have statistics as a background. They do not have scientific methodology as a backgroud. They wouldn't even know tenets of Scientific enquiry.

Quoting McKenzie imo is not doing your argument any favors.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

here's the list

of course Joe Haggarty picked a Bruin #1 for his MVP (Pastrnak)....huge homer
Greg Wyshynski didn't pick Leon #1 or #2....shocking how much he hates the Oilers
Dom Luszczgfadfh picked Auston Matthews 5th LOL...his spreadsheet spit out his numbers I guess

 

[Fourier]

Good on Leon! While he has always been extremely talented he has also put a lot of work into his game. While skating was never as bad as some though it is now a real strength. But it is his shot that I really think he has turned into something elite by sheer hard work. I think we all knew he was a sublime passer, but how many of us expected one of the best goal scorers in the league.

 

[Drivesaitl]

here's the list

of course Joe Haggarty picked a Bruin #1 for his MVP (Pastrnak)....huge homer
Greg Wyshynski didn't pick Leon #1 or #2....shocking how much he hates the Oilers
Dom Luszczgfadfh picked Auston Matthews 5th LOL...his spreadsheet spit out his numbers I guess

Another case of insomnia and being bored but thanks for posting this. Of interesting note "The Athletic" holds as many as 47 votes that I counted. Out of 170 in total. Most other publications that get to vote get one. Why on Earth is one publication granted so much voting power to decide these things? I mean I could see it being a specialist publication that focuses on sports specifically getting a few more legitimate votes than 1. But 47? These things, and how they arose should probably be questioned. I don't recall these trophies being named the Art Ross The Athletic trophy.

I mention this as well because a majority of The Athletic voters voted against Leon Draisaitl, and some with inane lists and picks. Deserves to be mentioned that Leon from what I was able to count (hard to count from those tables, Leon got 93 first place votes overall, so overwhelming majority. yet most of the 47 Athletic votes were for somebody else. So we're seeing some selective bias at work with the publication.

ftr from my count 29 The Athletic voters picked somebody other than Leon Draisaitl. Only 18 of their writers picked Leon.

So lets sort out some numbers;

Leon obtained 38% first place ballots from The Athletic voters.

Leon obtained 55% first place ballots overall, among all voters.

Leon Draisaitl obtained a whopping 61% of first place votes from everybody but The Athletic voters.


What this means is statistically significant confirmed bias of one publication, and that could have swayed voting somewhat if Leon did not have considerable support from the rest of sports journalists and sports media.

 

[McJadeddog]

He deserves all the praise he can get, what a year and what a player. I didn't realize this level of player was in Draisaitl, but, basically, never doubt him.

Edit: Remember the hand wringing about his contract and how expensive it was

Yeah, I wasn't happy about his contract, lol. I was comparing it to Pasta's contract and was pissed that we signed him for so much. Loved the player, thought the contract was an overpay due to one season where he lit things up playing with 97. So yeah about that...... 8.5 is a STEAL for what Drai is, and as much crap as Chia gets on here (deservedly so) he should get full marks for that contract. Imagine how ridiculously good it would have been if the cap kept rising these next 3-4 years like it would he if COVID wasn't a thing?

 

[McJadeddog]

Another case of insomnia and being bored but thanks for posting this. Of interesting note "The Athletic" holds as many as 47 votes that I counted. Out of 170 in total. Most other publications that get to vote get one. Why on Earth is one publication granted so much voting power to decide these things? I mean I could see it being a specialist publication that focuses on sports specifically getting a few more legitimate votes than 1. But 47? These things, and how they arose should probably be questioned. I don't recall these trophies being named the Art Ross The Athletic trophy.

I mention this as well because a majority of The Athletic voters voted against Leon Draisaitl, and some with inane lists and picks. Deserves to be mentioned that Leon from what I was able to count (hard to count from those tables, Leon got 93 first place votes overall, so overwhelming majority. yet most of the 47 Athletic votes were for somebody else. So we're seeing some selective bias at work with the publication.

ftr from my count 29 The Athletic voters picked somebody other than Leon Draisaitl. Only 18 of their writers picked Leon.

So lets sort out some numbers;

Leon obtained 38% first place ballots from The Athletic voters.

Leon obtained 55% first place ballots overall, among all voters.

Leon Draisaitl obtained a whopping 61% of first place votes from everybody but The Athletic voters.


What this means is statistically significant confirmed bias of one publication, and that could have swayed voting somewhat if Leon did not have considerable support from the rest of sports journalists and sports media.

I think it is a classic example of "organizational think" at work there. All these guys talk to each other, they are on iMessage groups together, Teams groups, etc etc etc. People who work in corporations know how this goes, one guy is on a soap box about something and then all of a sudden half the office is buying Bitcoin at an alarming rate, lol.

Agree with The Athletic getting more than 1 vote, hell they should probably have 31 even (1 for each team they cover), but 47 is a bit much.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I think it is a classic example of "organizational think" at work there. All these guys talk to each other, they are on iMessage groups together, Teams groups, etc etc etc. People who work in corporations know how this goes, one guy is on a soap box about something and then all of a sudden half the office is buying Bitcoin at an alarming rate, lol.

Agree with The Athletic getting more than 1 vote, hell they should probably have 31 even (1 for each team they cover), but 47 is a bit much.

I can't even see 31 being warranted. I mean several news conglomerates cover multiple teams if not the league in general and they get a handful of votes. I mean The Athletic is cornering the market on PHWA votes and a concering trend given they alreadly had 47/170 or 28% of all votes. Thats nearly 1/3 and I suspect it soon will be that. When does it stop? When they get half of total votes..

In anycase very clearly no other publication is getting votes for each one of their sports wags. Most papers have multiple on the beat but each publication is generally getting the one vote. So it doesn't fly that The Athletic should be getting one vote for every writer. That is a disparity that needs some explaining.

 

[Zaddy]

I'm pleasantly surprised that Draisaitl won the Hart. Didn't expect it because most writers are morons and just go with whatever the prevailing narrative is.

To me it was three obvious candidates this season: Draisaitl, MacKinnon and Panarin. No other players stirred the drink for their respective teams like those guys.

The guys who voted for Matthews should probably find another gig. Some other weird votes out there like Jacob Markström and Elias Pettersson too.

Not sure how Ovechkin got votes either. Guy had 67 points in 68 games and outscored by John Carlson, a defenseman, on his own team. He has no case for the Hart at all.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Disband the PHWA or whatever it's called. They don't even know which wing Ovi plays.

 

[KlefDown]

I need a photo with him posing in front of all three trophies so I can post it everywhere on HF

 

[bucks_oil]

Good on Leon! While he has always been extremely talented he has also put a lot of work into his game. While skating was never as bad as some though it is now a real strength. But it is his shot that I really think he has turned into something elite by sheer hard work. I think we all knew he was a sublime passer, but how many of us expected one of the best goal scorers in the league.

This is worth repeating. I mean his one-timer has got to be top 3 in the league right now and it isn't because of McD. He is finishing at an unbelievable rate even if the goalie manages to get across it often goes through him (on power alone) or is perfectly placed bar down. It's his shot selection (just hit the net vs place it and take some off for accuracy vs pound it) shows that sixth sense of reading the play and reacting in real time to what the goalie is doing. That's what makes him so elite.

 

[Zaddy]

I need a photo with him posing in front of all three trophies so I can post it everywhere on HF

...and send it to Steven.

 

[Zaddy]

Good on Leon! While he has always been extremely talented he has also put a lot of work into his game. While skating was never as bad as some though it is now a real strength. But it is his shot that I really think he has turned into something elite by sheer hard work. I think we all knew he was a sublime passer, but how many of us expected one of the best goal scorers in the league.

Drai legitimately has one of the best releases in the league these days. It's crazy how effortless he makes it seem. Of course he has a great one-timer too and can beat goalies even from really bad angles.

 

[bucks_oil]

Another case of insomnia and being bored but thanks for posting this. Of interesting note "The Athletic" holds as many as 47 votes that I counted. Out of 170 in total. Most other publications that get to vote get one. Why on Earth is one publication granted so much voting power to decide these things? I mean I could see it being a specialist publication that focuses on sports specifically getting a few more legitimate votes than 1. But 47? These things, and how they arose should probably be questioned. I don't recall these trophies being named the Art Ross The Athletic trophy.

I mention this as well because a majority of The Athletic voters voted against Leon Draisaitl, and some with inane lists and picks. Deserves to be mentioned that Leon from what I was able to count (hard to count from those tables, Leon got 93 first place votes overall, so overwhelming majority. yet most of the 47 Athletic votes were for somebody else. So we're seeing some selective bias at work with the publication.

ftr from my count 29 The Athletic voters picked somebody other than Leon Draisaitl. Only 18 of their writers picked Leon.

So lets sort out some numbers;

Leon obtained 38% first place ballots from The Athletic voters.

Leon obtained 55% first place ballots overall, among all voters.

Leon Draisaitl obtained a whopping 61% of first place votes from everybody but The Athletic voters.


What this means is statistically significant confirmed bias of one publication, and that could have swayed voting somewhat if Leon did not have considerable support from the rest of sports journalists and sports media.

This is a really interesting question. Especially when you wouldn't think of the Athletic as wielding more power than say SI, ESPN or any of the Canadian networks (when it comes to hockey).

But... aren't the Athletic writers mostly freelance? So more likely they have other affiliations with more local rags?

 

[oobga]

I honestly do understand the opinion that if this was purely an MVP award in the purest sense (how much worse would your team be without elite player X), then Panarin probably should have won it. But, then McDavid should have won in 2018, and McDavid should have also won the Calder in 2016 if it was really an award for who the best rookie was, not just who was good along with luck to be getting fed by Kane and no injuries.

This award is payback as a result of consistency I suppose. I'm kinda shocked that the consistency worked in our favour. The Hart has been awarded for who had the most outstanding season with the caveat that their team is in or near a playoff spot. Honestly, shame on the people breaking precedent and giving Panarin 1st place votes