Discussion in 'Polls - (hockey-related only)' started by the_fan, Aug 21, 2017.
This probably has been done already but if not, here we go
Gretzky and Messier.
Only way Lemieux gets a nod over Gretzky is when you play the what if game, and only apply the what ifs to Lemieux and not Gretzky.
The question will be, how much do you think Jagr is better than Messier, and is it enough to tilt the poll little towards Lemieux/Jagr duo? Because we all know the best player in this poll is Gretzky
Messier is more valuable then jagr I feel. Especially if you already have a Gretzky or Lemieux. Those 2 are so good they don't need a quality winger like Jagr to produce.
You put Messier on the 2nd like to provide both offense and defense and you have a championship caliber team.
If you're considering health - Gretzky is also way ahead of Lemieux
Pretty easy one for me. 99 and 11.
Depth at center > center/winger combination.
Not only that. But Mark Messier is one of the most complete players in the history of the game. Sometimes I do not think he gets the credit he deserves. He won the cup twice without 99, can't say the same the other way. I would put him up there as one of the greatest players in the game to have played. Top 10.
Lemieux and Jagr. Results are funny.
Sigh, clearly Jagr > Messier without a doubt. Messier overrated as usual.
I prefer Oil duo, Gretz is too easily the best player here.
Wow this is so wrong. Did you ever see Messier play in his prime?
Why wouldn't RNH be on the top line, though?
I'll take Gretzky and Messier.
Having a strong 1-2 punch down the middle can make a team very successful.
Look at EDM, COL, DET, PIT (early 90s and now)
Gretzky and Messier won four Cups playing for the same team IRL. Lemieux and Jagr won two.
I should of done a Gretzky/Kurri vs Lemieux/Jagr. I think that would of made it a little closer poll. Maybe i will, later
I think that has already been done and Gretzky/Kurri lost. People said that Gretzky/Messier would be closer (I think).
Statistical comparison between Jagr and Messier. Bolded are names specified player finished ahead of in point/hart finishes.
5 Art Ross
Hart finishes: 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 4, 7, 13, 19, 23
1994-94: Lindros, Hasek, Coffey, Fleury, Hull
1995-96: Lemieux, Messier, Lindros, Fedorov, Sakic
1997-98: Hasek, Selanne, Brodeur, Gretzky, Bondra
1998-99: Hasek, Yashin, Joseph, Selanne, Lindros
1999-00: Pronger, Bure, Kolzig, Nolan, Recchi
2000-01: Sakic, Lemieux, Cechmanek, Brodeur, Elias
2005-06: Thornton, Kiprussof, Staal, Alfredsson, Ovechkin
1993-94 NHL 99 (9th) Art Ross competition:
1994-95 NHL 70 (1st) Lindros, Zhamnov, Sakic, Francis, Fleury,
1995-96 NHL 149 (2nd) Lemieux, Sakic, Francis, Forsberg, Lindros
1996-97 NHL 95 (6th) Lemieux, Selanne, Kariya, Gretzky, Leclair
1997-98 NHL 102 (1st) Forsberg, Gretzky, Bure, leclair, Francis
1998-99 NHL 127 (1st) Selanne, Kariya, Forsberg, Sakic, Yashin
1999-00 NHL 96 (1st) Bure, Recchi, Kariya, Selanne, Amonte
2000-01 NHL 121 (1st) Sakic, Elias, Allison, Straka, Kovalev
2001-02 NHL 79 (5th) Iginla, Naslund, Betuzzi, Sundin, Sakic
2005-06 NHL 123 (2nd) Thornton, Ovechkin, Alfredsson, Heatley,
2006-07 NHL 96 (8th)
1994-95 NHL 1.46 (2nd)
1995-96 NHL 1.82 (2nd)
1996-97 NHL 1.51 (3rd)
1997-98 NHL 1.32 (1st)
1998-99 NHL 1.57 (1st)
1999-00 NHL 1.52 (1st)
2000-01 NHL 1.49 (2nd)
2001-02 NHL 1.14 (3rd)
2005-06 NHL 1.50 (2nd)
1993-94 NHL 67 (7th)
1994-95 NHL 38 (7th)
1995-96 NHL 87 (3rd)
1997-98 NHL 67 (1st)
1998-99 NHL 83 (1st)
1999-00 NHL 54 (3rd)
2000-01 NHL 69 (1st)
2001-02 NHL 48 (9th)
2005-06 NHL 69 (3rd)
2006-07 NHL 66 (5th
1993-94 NHL 0.84 (9th)
1994-95 NHL 0.79 (9th)
1995-96 NHL 1.06 (3rd)
1997-98 NHL 0.87 (2nd)
1998-99 NHL 1.02 (1st)
1999-00 NHL 0.86 (2nd)
2000-01 NHL 0.85 (2nd)
2001-02 NHL 0.70 (5th)
2005-06 NHL 0.84 (4th)
2006-07 NHL 0.80 (5th)
1994-95 NHL 32 (2nd)
1995-96 NHL 62 (2nd)
1996-97 NHL 47 (6th)
1997-98 NHL 35 (9th)
1998-99 NHL 44 (2nd)
1999-00 NHL 42 (4th)
2000-01 NHL 52 (3rd)
2005-06 NHL 54 (2nd)
1994-95 NHL 0.67 (3rd)
1995-96 NHL 0.76 (3rd)
1996-97 NHL 0.75 (1st)
1997-98 NHL 0.45 (9th)
1998-99 NHL 0.54 (5th)
1999-00 NHL 0.67 (2nd)
2000-01 NHL 0.64 (4th)
2002-03 NHL 0.48 (10th)
2005-06 NHL 0.66 (3rd)
Hart finishes: 2, 9, 9
1989-90: Bourque, Hull, Gretzky, Lafontaine, Roy
1991-92: Roy, Hull, Mclean, Roenick, Lemieux
1995-96: Lemieux, Lindros, Jagr, Fedorov, Sakic
Selke finishes: 8, 9, 14, 15, 16, 16, 17, 25
1982-83 NHL 106 (7th)
1986-87 NHL 107 (3rd)Gretzky, Kurri(Tied), Lemieux(Tied), Gilmour, Cicarelli
1987-88 NHL 111 (5th) Lemieux, Gretzky, Savard, Hawerchuk, Robitaille(Tied, Stastny(Tied)
1989-90 NHL 129 (2nd) Gretzky, Yzerman, Lemieux, Hull, Nicholls
1991-92 NHL 107 (5th) Lemieux, Stevens, Gretzky, Hull, Robitaille(tied)
1994-95 NHL 53 (10th)
1982-83 NHL 1.38 (7th)
1983-84 NHL 1.38 (10th)
1986-87 NHL 1.39 (3rd)
1987-88 NHL 1.44 (8th)
1988-89 NHL 1.31 (10th)
1989-90 NHL 1.63 (3rd)
1991-92 NHL 1.35 (7th)
1995-96 NHL 1.34 (10th)
1996-97 NHL 1.18 (7th)
1986-87 NHL 70 (3rd)
1987-88 NHL 74 (5th)
1988-89 NHL 61 (8th)
1989-90 NHL 84 (2nd)
1991-92 NHL 72 (6th)
1994-95 NHL 39 (6th)
1983-84 NHL 0.88 (8th)
1986-87 NHL 0.91 (3rd)
1987-88 NHL 0.96 (6th)
1988-89 NHL 0.85 (9th)
1989-90 NHL 1.06 (3rd)
1990-91 NHL 0.98 (3rd)
1991-92 NHL 0.91 (7th)
1994-95 NHL 0.85 (7th)
1981-82 NHL 50 (8th)
1982-83 NHL 48 (9th)
1989-90 NHL 45 (9th)
1995-96 NHL 47 (9th)
1981-82 NHL 0.64 (8th)
1995-96 NHL 0.64 (7th)
Yeah I remember people saying that
Close but Gretzky and Messier for me.
Jari Kurri was a great player. I don't think people realize just how good he was on both sides of the puck. He also was on the same level of thinking with Gretzky. A perfect winger for him. And when 99 was traded he still had a 100+ points season and a cup. I would have taken Gretzky and Kurri had I seen that poll. Infact I was reading a hockey book this weekend, Marcel Dionne called Kurri the most underrated player that played.
I pick Gretzky... Not close.
crazy with some people thinking messier is the weak link here and overrated.
He is the guy who pushes that duo over the top in a head to head matchup with Mario and Jagr. Messier was a far tougher match playoff player then Jagr ever was and would do what was ncessary to win this match up.
Underrated player on these boards. one of the best centers and players I ever saw and a real winner.
True, but even Gretzky had Kurri and Lemieux had Jagr. Pittsburgh has Kessel and Chicago Kane.
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