Legace attacks union leadership

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  1. Flyguy_1ca

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    http://www.mlive.com/redwings/stories/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/112013520281360.xml

    DETROIT -- Detroit Red Wings goaltender Manny Legace believes NHL players sacrificed a year's pay and damaged the sport for no apparent reason.

    And he blames union leadership.

    As the league inches closer to a settlement with the NHL Players Association, Legace is the latest player to condemn union leaders for their flawed strategy during a lockout that led to the cancellation of the 2004-05 season.
     
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  2. Holly Gunning

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    When will posters learn that you cannot cut and paste entire articles onto message boards?
     
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    Starting to come out of the woodworks now huh? JR, Legace and others are starting to realize that their leadership cost them 1.5 billion dollars in salary...oops!!
     
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    This is more idiotic 20-20 hindsight. If the NHLPA ownership had known a year ago that the nHL wouldn't cave, they would have made a deal then. But they looked at history and thought that there NHL had caved every other time, so they would this time too. They were wrong but that doesn't mean that they were stupid.

    It's real easy for idiots like Legace to open their mouths after the fact. Where was he a year ago? Why wasn't he whining about making a deal then? You get real sick of back seat drivers like Legace who only open their mouths a year later. In contrast,Jagr merely observed that the NHLPA took a chance and was wrong. He didn't whine like Legace, even though he stands to lose a lot more money. Who'd of thought that Jagr could be mature?
     
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    A nice read. Hopefully more and more people start voicing their thoughts on the whole mess. Its nice to know, well finally actually hear, that some players have been as pissed at the whole thing as I have.

    I can just Feel the love now. :eek:
     
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    Well, to be fair, Roenick hasn't changed his tune since the beginning. He was clammoring for a deal last year.
     
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    Union? Smart? Those two words don't belong in the same sentence
     
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    Yes Roenick DID change his tune. He tried to save the season...when that fell through he went right back to kissing the union keester, and toesing the party line. So while he DID try at one point to save the season...he got put back in his place by the PA quickly
     
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    <snip> retracted

    EDIT: Must have been thinking of someone else... In March he said he wouldn't blame the lower-paid guys for crossing a picket line, but that he wouldn't.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=118168

    Also said in November that he backed the union's no-cap stance.

    http://www.detnews.com/2004/wings/0411/25/e01-15339.htm
     
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    wonder if BG will say..."oops, my bad"
     
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    Sure he will, he will say..."oops, my bad, now where are the millions you owe me."
     
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    Everyone knew the NHL wasn't going to cave. If that much wasn't completely obvious to them right from the start, they deserve what they get.
     
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    if you recall... last september during the WC he was coming up with ideas like caps on contracts and other such things to keep the salary scale down. throughout this whole thing he has said that changes were necessary, something that the NHLPA was refusing to admit.

    he appologized to the players, yes... but i've not once heard him say he was wrong in his belief in the need for change.
     
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    Everyone assumed that the NHL owners wouldn't fold. It certainly wasn't guaranteed.
     
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    Nothing is guaranteed, but the owners resolve from the beginning was very strong.
     
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    correct....but when its your job to accurately assess the situation and keep the interests of the union you lead in mind...painting yourself in a corner with statements like we will never accept a cap is a terrible strategy....combine that with the fact BG tried to play hardball long before the lockout started

    This wasnt baseball where the union had creamed the league over and over through the years so its not like they can say (like someone in this thread said) the league caved over and over in the past....just didnt happen that way
     
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    this kind of stuff is stupid and pointless. guess what legace you dumbass, you were supporting the union and enabling them to do what they did. now you want to look back and blame the union leaders for this while absolving yourself from guilt? maybe you should have taken a more active role in all this from the beginning then

    the union leaders ultimately wouldn't have gone along with the gameplan they did if the union wasn't supporting them in it.
     
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    You mean, everyone but the NHLPA. Way to get a reality check.
    :shakehead :dunno:
     
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    If you read the article carefully, you'll notice his beef is that they are looking to be taking worse offers then they got initially. AS far as that goes, I'm on the hindsight is 20-20 wagon here. I think the
    players actually thought the deal would get better. However, everybody who wasn't wearing blinders knew the risks.
     
  20. Phillip The Third

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    Some people thought they would. And that's understandable. All up until february when Bettman was ready to cancel the season. At that point, it became crystal clear with everyone that the owners had proven their resolve.

    Back in february, the NHLPA had the NHL bending and making concessions (No link to revenues). That isn't much but that's what the NHLPA wanted. Which is stupid because if revenues go up they're screwed. I guess that means the players didn't believe they could heal the damage they did to the league, or were too lazy and spoiled to help the owners and Bettman market the game better.

    At that point, the PA's actions are inexcusable. But you can't expect much more with guys like Goodenow, Linden and Damphousse at the helm. Linden had no leadership (what a huge effort he made in february to bring the parties together and how useful that was :sarcasm: ), Damphousse was a self-righteous idiot driven by a petty philosophical stance (ie. we're not going to manage the owners' teams for them :shakehead ) and Goodenow was blinded by his enormous ego and petty negociations tactics (deadline hunter my ass).


    Bottom line is if Legace said that a salary cap wasn't the devil back before the lockout and got chastised for it by the PA, and then adopted his PA's position to help them in the negociations, he's now perfectly within his rights to question their judgement. He was right from the start, expressed his opinion and nobody listened. They brought him back into the line, and they were wrong.

    All the players who've said things during this lockout that went against the party line now have the full rights to criticize, cry and moan. Those who didn't, like Jagr, don't.
     
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    The most relevant "history" is not what owner's did ten years before but the money they have bled for the years leading to the CBA expiration coupled with Levitt's report and common sense that it could not continue.
     
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    In all fairness I think its hard for the players to help heal/market the game if they dont have a voice on the rules committee.....
     
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    But they do now. They could have got that easily from the negociations.

    Anyone know if players from other sports have a say on the rules like NHLers will ?
     
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    If it was up to Legace this lockout would still be going on, rather than winding down as it appears to be. Reading the snippets that were reported he supported the strong BG stance vs the league and now that it failed he has sour grapes. Moaning now is a classless attempt to distance himself from the leadership he supported. Legace suck it up, it's over.
     
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    The NFL. Surprise. The competition committee they have is made up of ex-players, coaches, GM as well as current ones who are in the minority but they are represented.
     
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