Come one. That's such a ridiculous statement to make i don't even know where to begin. One player failed in frolunda therefore frolunda is not good at developing kids therefore coaches and development don't matter therefore Lehkonen did not development he was always good. Man it pains me to read such logic ...
Two players = small sample size = no even worth discussing about.
Come back after you did a deeper analysis of Frolunda and how "their kids" develop. Like the last 5 or 6 years. Same sample size as Sly. Man forget it i'll do it for you. Young players who played for Frolunda one season and reached the NHL in the last 6 years (2011-2017 notable players only) :
Lehkonen
Frederik Andersen
Erik Karlsson (yes the Erik Karlsson)
John Klingberg
Alexander Wennberg
Holy mother of god that's lot better than Sly. But you know i don't give a **** about Frolunda. Maybe Frolunda was just lucky i don't ***** care. Sweden is good a developing kids period. Doesn't really matter which team it is. If i had a Swedish kid i would keep him in the SEL and he would not see the face of Sly one single second before graduating in the NHL.
It's not normal that in the last 5 years the only player who played in the AHL and will be playing in the NHL for us next year or was used to get something good in a trade is Gallagher a guy who played in the AHL because of the lockout. People can spin it the way they want it's not normal. Our AHL team did not even develop a ****** 4th line player in the last 5 years. That's not a small sample size.
It will be a big year for Sly. If all of Hudon, BigMac, DLR, Scherbak keep not developing then he must be fired at the end of the year. We have a couple of good kids incoming they need a real coach. I'm just puzzled at anyone thinking development doesn't matter between 20 and 23 and thinking it's already set in stone at 20 who will make the NHL or not. I just don't understand.
SHL >> AHL
It is also recognized that Frolunda is really good at developing players.
But we do have an infrastructure and coaches to do a good job.
The question of Sly will need to be considered next year if needed.
So you think Karlsson, Andersen, Klingberg and Wennberg would all have failed in AHL with Sly?
I see no proof just ranting like so many do about Sly.
Karlsson is the best d-men in the league but would have failed with Sly?
Wennberg a top center but he would not have scored in AHL?
Pretty sure that Klingberg and Andersen would also have made it with Sly.
We have to be honest here, ranting against Sly and MB is the new trend.
These are top players.
Karlsson was picked 15th, Wennberg was picked 14th, Klingberg took 5 years to make it to NHL and played in Frolunda only when he was 24, Andersen was drafted at 21 and again at 23.
Besides Gallagher (5th round), how many top prospects did he have?
And he did a pretty good job with him in 2012-13 BTW.
After 38 games in AHL with Sly he was able to make it to NHL.
Arguably the best talent Sly had in 5 years.
Did we give Sly Karlsson, Wennberg, Klinberg or Andersen?
Since he came,
who was in the goal? Tokarski, Mayer, Pascale, Fucale?
We also had Condon (we lost him in waivers), Darling for a game and Dubnick after 8 games.
Last year was the first time with a good AHL goalie and he made it to the PO.
If we are so bad, why these players who were in Frolunda did not play in AHL (23 games if you remove Andersen). So they are also bad in AHL?
For me, it is based on contracts. Leaving those players in Frolunda allows the contract to slide. Especially top players like this that could have be in AHL if their team wanted.
For now, I see McCarron who was expected to be a bottom-6 player and he is going in that direction (top-6 was beyond my expectations like many here).
Same with DLR: great pick to make it at bottom-6 for at least 200-400 NHL games.
Meanwhile, Sly has done really good with Hudon given his speed.
For Scherback, Juulsen, Bourque, Lernout and others we need to wait.
Let's see how he does this year with Holland and Froese in the line-up.
He should get further in PO.
Would like to see how he does with a top-15.
Did he ever had a top-24 pick in his team besides Beaulieu?
Look at the team that was
given to him in 2012 and Dumont is our best scorer with 31 points.
That is below Terry, Hudon, Scherback and DLR. Below the pace of McCarron.
Same than Friberg and one point more than Audette who was a rookie.
He had Dumont, Beaulieu, Bournival, Holland, Tenute and Blunden as top-6 scorer.
Do you see any of these players in Frolunda?
Anyone in line for a career in NHL?
Because they are now in other systems.
Can you blame him for the 2012 draft and the players that did not perform?
He did pretty well with the 2013 draft for now given expectations for the players.
Let's see how those players do and how he does manage the 2014 draft.
So we are now down to blame Sly for Beaulieu.
TBH, Beaulieu has consistently improve in offense. Defense is another story...
Next year with McCarron, McNiven, DLR, Hudon, Lindgren, Bourque, Juulsen and even Andrighetto we will have a better perspective.
If Andrighetto gets 50+ points, is it despite Sly or because of Sly.
DLR and Hudon should be in NHL and we will be able to know better, but for now McCarron needs more strength in his lower body and Hudon needs more speed.
Not so sure about Addison...
Just trying to be rational about this: comparing 2012 vs 2017 in AHL.
BTW, we did not pick a player that could play in Frolunda this year. Maybe Ikonen next year (following Lehkonen path: one year in Finland then to SHL).