MisterT
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Just stop. Admit you don't know the player and move on.
Just stop. Admit you don't know that shutdown dmen are not 5'9" and move on.
Just stop. Admit you don't know the player and move on.
So the Wild are taking a cap dump AND give you one of our top prospects? GTFOH
Just stop. Admit you don't know that shutdown dmen are not 5'9" and move on.
If by "shut down" you mean he plays against the other team's best lines and doesn't let them score goals then yeah, Spurgeon's a shut down defenseman.Just stop. Admit you don't know that shutdown dmen are not 5'9" and move on.
Your valuations are off. Kadri has more value with three years left on his contract. He's shown he can be a 30 goal 2C in the right situation. Kapanen is and will be better than Greenway. Greenway has value because he's a power forward but Kapanen brings much more to the table.
And also, who does Kapanen play with most of the time in terms of line mates? Let’s ignore that fact too eh?At Greenway's age/year Kapanen was a 9 goal, 11 point player.
And also, who does Kapanen play with most of the time in terms of line mates? Let’s ignore that fact too eh?
And also, who does Kapanen play with most of the time in terms of line mates? Let’s ignore that fact too eh?
I'd be pretty interested in seeing his splits with/without Matthews in the lineup.
AGAIN, Leafs trying to offload that boatload contract AND still think they can get anythign valuable coming the other way!
GL with that! Zaitsev will be traded if Liljegren or Sandin is also coming int he deal, and no other way!
You can keep saying this all you want but that doesn't magically make it true. He's got next to no value sure I agree, but if you think they'd need to give up an asset like that to dump him you're beyond delusional. The guy makes 4.5M, not 7M and be plays 20+ minutes a night. He's still a serviceable player that I have no doubt would not be difficult to unload.
Come on bro.
Jamie Benn plays 20min a night in MTL, does that make him a good D-man? TOI doesn't do ****... Guy sucks, and is paid like a top3 D-man while giving #6-7 performance night in and night out. No one will give anythign of value for a guy like that. Leafs woN,t be able to onload him w/out severe add on your side.
You cannot just assume that. We were able to move Phaneuf, whose contract was twice as bad as Zaitsev's is, without adding any blue-chips. We actually got value back for the deal. You cannot honestly say that Phaneuf was too much better than Zaitsev, or at least that Phaneuf's contract was more worth it than Zaitsev's is.Come on bro.
Jamie Benn plays 20min a night in MTL, does that make him a good D-man? TOI doesn't do ****... Guy sucks, and is paid like a top3 D-man while giving #6-7 performance night in and night out. No one will give anythign of value for a guy like that. Leafs woN,t be able to onload him w/out severe add on your side.
You cannot just assume that. We were able to move Phaneuf, whose contract was twice as bad as Zaitsev's is, without adding any blue-chips. We actually got value back for the deal. You cannot honestly say that Phaneuf was too much better than Zaitsev, or at least that Phaneuf's contract was more worth it than Zaitsev's is.
All those above trades were pure cap dumps...have you ever considered the idea that other teams are interested in Zaitsev? Or that the Leafs could retain some of Zaitsev's salary? I agree that it will be tough to move his contract but saying that it's impossible to trade him without adding a blue chip isn't thinking straight.Phaneuf had a certain pedigree coming w/ him.
Zaitsev has nothing.
Cap trade have also changed since the Leafs traded Phaneuf back in 2016 ( 3 years ago)
we've seen other cap deal trade W/ WAY betetr contract where teams had to lose good young players (Armia, Teravainen, Datsyuk trade where DET traded down in the draft)...
Unless he's packaged w/ a good young piece or a good pick (Leafs do not have one of these until next year so not worth it for other GMs), it won't happen!
Zaitsev is the difinition of a cap dump...All those above trades were pure cap dumps...have you ever considered the idea that other teams are interested in Zaitsev? Or that the Leafs could retain some of Zaitsev's salary? I agree that it will be tough to move his contract but saying that it's impossible to trade him without adding a blue chip isn't thinking straight.
Other GMs have expressed interest in him..Zaitsev is the difinition of a cap dump...
His metrics and stats have him piicured as a bottom pairing D / #6... But he's paid @ 4.5M
Very similar to Andrew McDonald if you ask me. So, the answer is no, I do not believe he's worth anything to anyone, and Leafs would need to retain at least 2M$ for a team to take him (and even then... You can find bototm pairing D's for 1.5M)
Other GMs have expressed interest in him..
So, breaking down the pieces, it's roughly:
Spurgeon ~ Kadri
Greenway ~ Kapanen
And then Staal for Zaitsev, for some reason. I guess to (sort of) plug the holes left by the top assets traded.
Not a chance lol. Barrie can and will return more than Kadri.