Leafs ranked 20th by Hockey's Future.

[Bomber0104]

I think they'd be too busy planning the parade

Exactly! HAHAHAH

They'd be making paper mache Cups with the hockeys news and hockeys future #1 ranked Toronto Maple Leafs prospects pages too!

But here they are arguing it today. I wonder why????

 

[The Apologist]

I think they'd be too busy planning the parade

I've had that planned for years. I keep it with my Seguin Hall Of Fame ring.

 

[Bomber0104]

Oh oh my turn.

What if...

We have the next Jagr, and only gave up Tyler Seguin, Aki berg and wade belak?

(you started it by comparing Kessel to Modano so any outlandish claim can now be made )

Its possible but unlikely by all accounts. Dougie Hamilton is the highest rated defensive prospect on the planet right now.

Kessel doesnt cycle and play a puck game like Jagr.

I miss Wade Belak. Reminds me of the days when the Leafs werent an AHL club.

 

[Urban Explorer*]

Oh oh my turn.

What if...

We have the next Jagr, and only gave up Tyler Seguin, Aki berg and wade belak?

(you started it by comparing Kessel to Modano so any outlandish claim can now be made )

That's another possiblity. haha that's all I was trying to say is the jury is out, we can't dismiss things because we don't have a crystal ball.

 

[The Apologist]

Oh look. Kessel trade talk.

3 years after and the best NHL player in the deal is who?

Still waiting for someone to be better than Kessel.

Are you doubting the greatness that is Douggie Hamilton?

You know, I heard Chuck Norris checks his closet at night for Douggie Hamilton.

 

[Urban Explorer*]

Oh oh my turn.

What if...

We have the next Jagr, and only gave up Tyler Seguin, Aki berg and wade belak?

(you started it by comparing Kessel to Modano so any outlandish claim can now be made )

oh yea btw I compared him to Modano because he's american I think you need to be a little more realistic with your hypotheticals!

 

[The Apologist]

That's another possiblity. haha that's all I was trying to say is the jury is out, we can't dismiss things because we don't have a crystal ball.

Lol, point made, just thought I'd show the positive spin of your worst case scenario.

 

[diceman934]

Why will it never happen?

Not going to happen.....he will not play long enough to past Sundin.....

 

[Disgruntled Observer*]

When did anyone say that?

So the leafs are ranked 20th by both the Hockey News (created by professional nhl scouts) and HF.

Do you think that the leafs have good prospects?

 

[The Apologist]

oh yea btw I compared him to Modano because he's american I think you need to be a little more realistic with your hypotheticals!

I knew it!!!

I compared him to Jagr cause neither was drafted by the Leafs.

 

[The Apologist]

Not going to happen.....he will not play long enough to past Sundin.....

Speaking of Crystal balls. At what age is Kessel gonna retire?

 

[The Apologist]

So the leafs are ranked 20th by both the Hockey News (created by professional nhl scouts) and HF.

Do you think that the leafs have good prospects?

Another one with reading comprehension concerns.

 

[Urban Explorer*]

Well there you go I think everyone agrees now! The Kessel trade was definately not the worst trade in Leafs history unless Seguin and/or Hamilton* become Hall of Famers.

Next topic?

 

[The Apologist]

Well there you go I think everyone agrees now! The Kessel trade was definately not the worst trade in Leafs history unless Seguin and/or Knight become Hall of Famers.

Next topic?

We could always go back to the cluster**** HFs rankings are?

 

[Urban Explorer*]

We could always go back to the cluster**** HFs rankings are?

What is your problem with them? Are you on the anti-leaf conspiracy?

 

[The Apologist]

What is your problem with them? Are you on the anti-leaf conspiracy?

My problem has been pointed out several times in this thread.

And 911 was a conspiracy. The Anti Leaf is very very real.

 

[diceman934]

Speaking of Crystal balls. At what age is Kessel gonna retire?

I never said anything about a Crystal ball, but said he will not play long enough for the Leafs to get another 786 points. That is 10 more seasons at nearly 80 points.

 

[Disgruntled Observer*]

Another one with reading comprehension concerns.

Reading comprehension concerns?

I simply asked a question. There was nothing for me to comprehend. Just a question.

Do you know what a question is? Do you have reading comprehension concerns?

Again, after being ranked 20th by BOTH the hockey news (whose rankings are based by professional nhl scouts) and HF, do you think the leafs have good prospects?

 

[The Apologist]

I never said anything about a Crystal ball, but said he will not play long enough for the Leafs to get another 786 points. That is 10 more seasons at nearly 80 points.

Which would make him 35? Again, why is this impossible?

 

[Urban Explorer*]

My problem has been pointed out several times in this thread.

I don't want to reread all the pages again but I think you were on some kind of conspiracy against the leafs (correct me if I'm wrong I have the memory of a goldfish sometimes).

I think there is some weight to be held with the anti-leaf conspiracy. You see it time and time again in rankings, be it most over rated player, worst coach, etc etc. I think bashing the leafs is done because it sells.

However when it comes to a draft ranking with supposed "professionals" (not espn) I give their assessment a little more weight. If they feel we're 20th then they feel we're 20th, I don't think there is an agenda.

One thing I would bring up though is arent these rankings based on a system as a whole (Fs, Ds and Gs)? I mean we don't really have any great forward prospects (other than kadri) or goaltending prospects. We do however have a somewhat abundance of great-elite D prospects.

I think if the leafs prospects formed a team and played a tournament against the other 29 teams prospects we probably would finish somewhere around 20th since our forwards and goalie are weak. That doesnt' mean our prospects don't have more "value" than teams that could ice a better team of prospects.

 

[The Apologist]

Reading comprehension concerns?

I simply asked a question. There was nothing for me to comprehend. Just a question.

Do you know what a question is? Do you have reading comprehension concerns?

Again, after being ranked 20th by BOTH the hockey news (whose rankings are based by professional nhl scouts) and HF, do you think the leafs have good prospects?

For the record, yes I do.

However, you really do need to read the thread to comprehend his comment. Why ask a question with no relevance to his?

 

[The Apologist]

I don't want to reread all the pages again but I think you were on some kind of conspiracy against the leafs (correct me if I'm wrong I have the memory of a goldfish sometimes).

I think there is some weight to be held with the anti-leaf conspiracy. You see it time and time again in rankings, be it most over rated player, worst coach, etc etc. I think bashing the leafs is done because it sells.

However when it comes to a draft ranking with supposed "professionals" (not espn) I give their assessment a little more weight. If they feel we're 20th then they feel we're 20th, I don't think there is an agenda.

One thing I would bring up though is arent these rankings based on a system as a whole (Fs, Ds and Gs)? I mean we don't really have any great forward prospects (other than kadri) or goaltending prospects. We do however have a somewhat abundance of great-elite D prospects.

I think if the leafs prospects formed a team and played a tournament against the other 29 teams prospects we probably would finish somewhere around 20th since our forwards and goalie are weak. That doesnt' mean our prospects don't have more "value" than teams that could ice a better team of prospects.

This is actually the first reply to this that makes any sense. I don't think overall Detroit's prospects are any better than ours (apparently THN agrees) but at least an argument such as yours can be made. Thank you for restoring my faith in HF.

 

[Urban Explorer*]

If the rankings were done by what teams has the best few players to build a team around I think the Leafs would finish much higher than 20th.

 

[The Apologist]

If the rankings were done by what teams has the best few players to build a team around I think the Leafs would finish much higher than 20th.

I think it's way too early to know what we have.

 

[diceman934]

Which would make him 35? Again, why is this impossible?

My opinion is that it is not a slam dunk that he resigns here.....as well as he is not going to produce 80 point seasons on average for 10 more years if he does stay here that long....