Speculation: Leafs need defensive help to contend

DoobieDubas

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Kapanen is like one of our only grittier or at least one of our players who finishes a check and shows up big in big games. I see him as a core piece long-term. Hyman not even close to as skilled but hes a perfect 3rd-4th liner.

Should have kept our boy levio he had some great board control/size. Brought up mason marchment for a stint.
Johnson Mats Nyl
marner tav hyman
Kapanen Kadri Marleau
Brown/Marchment-lindholm-levio
 

TDotMassive

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One or two players won't do it, the Leafs have drafted a core of soft players. No matter how skilled they are, the NHL will remain a game for hard men, especially towards the end of the year and playoffs.

Auston Matthews grew up in the US hockey system. No hitting. He then played in Switzerland. Even less hitting. This was touched on during one of the intermissions last night... Auston Matthews does not know how to give or take a hit, and after 20 years isn't going to learn at this level, he will always be on the softer side.

Marner and Nylander speak for themselves. As do Gardiner/Reilly.

Our toughest players last year were Polak and Komarov. You expect to do better against the Bruins without them?

Sadly I don't see the Leafs being able to contend for anything unless one of Matthews/Marner is dealt. And not for skill. For depth toughness at both positions. Solve the cap and soft problem at once.
Are you seriously suggesting trading Matthews and/or Marner for depth toughness players??? Brian Burke, is that you?
 

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That’s even more impressive, because he’s always using a right handed stick

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hahahahaha funny reply
 
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luvdahattymatty

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Good thread. Some good idears. The fix is very simple but Babs does not like the types that will fix the tough games against teams who move as a unit of 5 in a small ice game like Bruins who forecheck aggressively and setup a great cycle.
We need a couple dmen who know how to take a hit, hold puck in their feet for centre support and then can physically stop a cycle when it does happen. It does help if you get a Chara type who is also intimidating but not required. In todays NHL they must have some speed too. Trouba is a guy who I really like he can play in any style of game. I love Rielly but he does not have either puck strength or enough physical strength to play the Bruins game. But he tries his best. Gards looks scared to me when that style is deployed. Dermott can handle it. Hainsey too slow. Z is learning it. Oz is learning it. Holl can play it but he does not play.
up front we traded Leivo who knows how to forecheck, hold and cycle for 30 seconds in other teams end. It does not matter if he scores or not but it relieves pressure. We have an fast strike attack offense which can't hold puck in other teams end. Therefore the puck is coming back in our end much too quick. We need a couple more guys who can play that game to counter our fast strike guys. Again it would help if those guys can step up when needed.
We can be easily intimidated by Bruins like teams. Washington too.
Babs does not like that style but his playoff record has not been very good since 2008 when he had Lindsrom as the god of defense and McCarty to clear the way for Datysuk. Those 2 knockouts he had broke the back of their opponents in playoffs. We can't have Kadri trying to do it. He is a super lightweight. He does not scare anyone. In fact it is worse because the boys are worried someone is going to break his jaw. I love his attitude but he does not strike fear in anyone.
 

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Hasn’t the team proven they can play good defense? Look at the season at a whole.

Being good enough defensively is a team thing not just looking at the individual ability of each defenseman.

Look at some of the defense corps to win the Cup or make the finals.

Pitts and Vegas...not that great.

The two players I would be trying to trade are Zaitsev and Marleauto to clear up cap space. I’d take offers for Gardiner and if they got the right deal then move him, too.
 

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Fortunately, I don’t think Boston will make the playoffs, but I still don’t know who would be a favourablr match up.

If Boston won't make it, one of the Sabres, Habs, Wings, Senators or Florida will. I would take any of those over the Bruins to be honest, although especially the Sabres would also gives us a hard time.
 

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More that I think about it, the less likely I see us keeping Nylander long term, only way that happens is if we lose Marner (we'd never give up Matthews).
Especially if we're trying to bring in Pietrangelo at 6.5, theres just no room
Just spitballing a potential lineup in the future here as im bored studying for exams and want to kill time haha

Trade Nylander for Pesce + Ferland (sign around 4.5)
Trade Zaitsev + Brown + 1st + Bracco? (whatever the rumour is) for Pietrangelo
Trade Marleau for magic beans
Somehow get Anderson out of CBJ


Ferland (4.5) - Matthews (12) - Kapanen (4.5)
Hyman (2.25) - Tavares (11) - Marner (9)
Johnsson (2.5) - Kadri (4.5) - Anderson (1.85)
Grundstrom (0.925) - Lindholm (1.25) - Engvall (0.925)
Gauthier (0.675)

Rielly (5) - Pietrangelo (6.5)
Dermott (0.863) - Pesce (4.025)
Rosen (0.925) - Liljegren (0.894)
Ozhiganov (1.25)

Andersen (5)
Sparks (1)

1.2 for Kessel

Works out to around 82,400,000 out of an 83M cap
 

hockeywiz542

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31 Thoughts: Why Maple Leafs wouldn’t trade Nylander for Pietrangelo - Sportsnet.ca
3. Nick Kypreos shook the masses last weekend, wondering on Headlines if Alex Pietrangelo would be a fit for Toronto. With a few more days to work off it, my guess is this: St. Louis put him in William Nylander discussions, but the Maple Leafs decided to keep the winger. I see two reasons. First, Nylander is six years younger. Second, they might not be able to fit Pietrangelo’s extension (he’s eligible in July) and would prefer someone with term in that particular trade. It doesn’t mean they can’t/won’t re-consider him in the future.

They are doing due diligence on defencemen. They’re not crazy about term, but may consider some length if the cap hit is small enough. The defenceman has trade protection, but if Novice-age teammate John Tavares can handle Toronto, no reason Pietrangelo can’t.

4. The biggest takeaway from all of this: The fact Pietrangelo’s name got out there indicates the Blues are willing to do it.

5. A couple more notes on the Maple Leafs, since those of you outside the Ontario capital can’t get enough. Toughness returned to the forefront after last Saturday’s loss in Boston, but you have to look at GM Kyle Dubas’s history. It’s been a yearly critique of his teams — OHL Sault Ste. Marie, AHL Toronto — and he ignores it. He’s undoubtedly focused more on Tampa Bay, the only team ahead of the Maple Leafs in the standings. The Lightning are built similarly to Toronto, and that makeup is in his own DNA.
 

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I just think Boston throws them off their game, and Babcock feeds into it with matching lines incessantly
Would I like a little more sandpaper - sure
 

smitty10

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I think the Leafs are really only a defenceman away from being a true contender. I'd love for us to add a power forward and a more proven back up as well, but I don't know if those things are going to happen. With the cap hell the Leafs are about to be in, it will be very tough for the Leafs to add anyone.

Personally, I'd like for them to go for a #2-3 type of guy, rather than a #1. We may actually be able to keep that type of player beyond 1-2 years. Tanev or Muzzin are guys I think we could buy low on and potentially get to sign a cap-friendly extension with the team if they like what they see from the TDL beyond this year.
 

Peiskos

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We most certainly need more depth on the back, as is we are capable of winning a round, maybe 2. To go all the way with this defence would require every single bounce to go our way along with Freddy pulling off one of the greatest playoff performances in NHL history.
 

Zybalto

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We most certainly need more depth on the back, as is we are capable of winning a round, maybe 2. To go all the way with this defence would require every single bounce to go our way along with Freddy pulling off one of the greatest playoff performances in NHL history.

I agree we need more depth, especially on the right side but what we need more is Anderson, Matthews and Nylander to play to their potential. Got a feeling they are gonna be better this year which is going to help out more if we get a Gudas type player this year.

Pens won 2 years ago because their stars were stars and Murray was amazing. Their D wasn't better than we have now.
 

justafan22

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This part is interesting:

They are doing due diligence on defencemen. They’re not crazy about term, but may consider some length if the cap hit is small enough. The defenceman has trade protection, but if Novice-age teammate John Tavares can handle Toronto, no reason Pietrangelo can’t.

Makes me think they're going after players that are either rentals are expiring after next season.

So the Gudas stuff might make sense in this case.
 
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smitty10

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Want.

Rielly Parayko
Gardiner Gudas
Dermott Hainsey/Oz
I'd be very happy with that. The problem that appears is that we'd have to deplete our offensive depth to upgrade the D if we make a deal with St. Louis. I can't imagine they take on Zaitsev unless we give them a 1st and Kapanen. That would be enough to stop me right there.

I believe the Leafs will be looking for someone who's not quite as good/expensive as Parayko. Probably a Muzzin or Tanev type. Teams far out who won't be competing any time soon. They'll be happier with picks and prospects than players leaving their ELC's.

Love the idea of Gudas though. Tough as nails and can play a top 4 role.
 

Whaleafs

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I'd be very happy with that. The problem that appears is that we'd have to deplete our offensive depth to upgrade the D if we make a deal with St. Louis. I can't imagine they take on Zaitsev unless we give them a 1st and Kapanen. That would be enough to stop me right there.

I believe the Leafs will be looking for someone who's not quite as good/expensive as Parayko. Probably a Muzzin or Tanev type. Teams far out who won't be competing any time soon. They'll be happier with picks and prospects than players leaving their ELC's.

Love the idea of Gudas though. Tough as nails and can play a top 4 role.

I was thinking more so Gudas for Zaitsev with whatever other small pieces thrown in. Weeks ago I’ve heard the Flyers are open for business, but last night I heard Fletcher wants to make some moves to show the vets they think they’re still in it this year, so who knows. Gudas is a bottom pair for them so could be doable.

St. Louis is more tricky but they’re tight for cap space. Parayko is one of the only D left with term but maybe they will blow it up at some point. Not sure who to give out because of our F depth taking a hit but if it’s Muzzin we could get with picks and prospects instead then I’m all for it.
 
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