TSN: Leafs actively shopping Calvin Pickard

[Filthy Dangles]

Leaf fans also think Garret Sparks has actual value.......

 

[Hivemind]

Washington could have interest depending on how Copley and Vanecek play in the pre-season, but I think a waiver claim would be more likely than a trade.

 

[Joe Sakic]

We'll give a 3rd for him.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

Leaf fans also think Garret Sparks has actual value.......

Maybe for good reason. Sparks played better than Pickard last year. Sparks played almost all the minutes in the championship AHL playoffs. Pickard passed through waivers last for a reason.

 

[Funk21]

We'll give a 3rd for him.

Sold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

So then we end up with literally no goalie depth. Sounds horrendous.

Agree with you. Don't make a trade for a meaningless pick. Take your chances on the two goalies on waivers, Just three players who claimed on waivers at the end of pre season, to think the Leafs lose two goalies seems unlikely.

 

[Morgs]

Leaf fans also think Garret Sparks has actual value.......

How could they possibly think the guy who won goalie of the year in the AHL at 24 be worth anything?!

Those damn stupid Leaf fans.

 

[tucker3434]

We'll give a 3rd for him.

We will not.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

How could they possibly think the guy who won goalie of the year in the AHL at 24 could be worth anything?!

Those damn stupid Leaf fans.

Hey, that's kind of redundant.


By this logic, is Valentin Zykov worth anything notable, the American League's top goal scorer at age 23?

 

[Wingsfan 4 life]

Leafs are shopping the wrong goalie, if they believe Sparks will be the backup at some point this year.

Pickard will easily clear waivers, not so sure McBackup will

 

[member 157595]

Now now, there's more than enough meh for everyone, wait your turn...

 

[GoldiFox]

Hey, that's kind of redundant.


By this logic, is Valentin Zykov worth anything notable, the American League's top goal scorer at age 23?

Zykov finished the year in the NHL with 7 points in 10 games on the top line with Sebastian Aho. He’s worth a lot to the Canes who need cheap scoring talent.

The reason Pickard isn’t worth much is because the Leafs have 3 backups that are waiver eligible. Unfortunate reality of there being 13 Forward spots and only 2 goalie spots per NHL team.

 

[mouser]

I mean, we could have picked him up off waivers, but we gave up a 6th and a prospect last year for him, so I would assume we’d get a similar return.

If they had picked him up off waivers then he would have had to clear waivers again to be sent down. Clearing waivers probably enhanced Pickard's value last season because any team trading for him would have the option to assign him to the AHL. Any team trading for him now wouldn't have that same guaranteed flexibility.

 

[NDiesel]

How could they possibly think the guy who won goalie of the year in the AHL at 24 be worth anything?!

Those damn stupid Leaf fans.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but 26 year old goalie Phillip Grubauer (who has actually proven he can play well in the NHL) was just traded for a 2nd rounder and as well as Caps giving up a cap dump. You're going to be upset if you think that Sparks gets anything more than a 4th rounder. Goalies who haven't played at the NHL level aren't worth much.

 

[mouser]

And for perspective:

Times goalies waived last season: 39
Times goalies claimed last season: 3

- Malcom Subban by Vegas
- Antti Niemi by Florida
- Antti Niemi by Montreal

 

[Morgs]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but 26 year old goalie Phillip Grubauer (who has actually proven he can play well in the NHL) was just traded for a 2nd rounder and as well as Caps giving up a cap dump. You're going to be upset if you think that Sparks gets anything more than a 4th rounder. Goalies who haven't played at the NHL level aren't worth much.

I didn't say he was worth a lot. His comment though is just clear nonsense.

 

[jetsforever]

I would give late pick or some depth prospect for him. Jets here

Agreed, I'd take him over Brossoit

 

[NDiesel]

I didn't say he was worth a lot. His comment though is just clear nonsense.

That's fair enough, I'm sure a team struggling for goaltending would give something up for his potential, just not much.

 

[joestevens29]

Is anyone actually looking for a backup right now? Would think most teams will stick with what they got right now. Unless they are trading some guy that they plan on waiving.

 

[Tall Morty]

If they had picked him up off waivers then he would have had to clear waivers again to be sent down. Clearing waivers probably enhanced Pickard's value last season because any team trading for him would have the option to assign him to the AHL. Any team trading for him now wouldn't have that same guaranteed flexibility.

True, very good point, forgot about that.

 

[Leafs at Knight]

Is anyone actually looking for a backup right now? Would think most teams will stick with what they got right now. Unless they are trading some guy that they plan on waiving.

Jets should probably be looking at this. 15-20 games of Brossoit isn't going to be good.

 

[Rockmorton]

Why’d they even bother signing him?

Anybody that trades for him would have to play him in the NHL, correct? Can’t imagine many teams would be up for that. Maybe he gets traded if/after he clears waivers?

No. The only time a player has to play in the NHL is if they are claimed on waivers after preseason starts. Then they must be given a spot on the team. That prevents teams from grabbing a future player for free & stashing him in the minors.

 

[Canada4Gold]

If he clears waivers he can then be traded for a late pick and assigned to the new teams AHL team

If he cleared waivers I'm keeping him with the Marlies as depth. The only reason I'd want to trade him is because we'll probably lose him for nothing if we don't.

Hey, that's kind of redundant.


By this logic, is Valentin Zykov worth anything notable, the American League's top goal scorer at age 23?

Ummm... yes? Zykov is probably worth a 2nd at worst. KInd of like how a 23 year old Johnsson who just dominated the AHL playoffs is worth a little bit. Sparks isn't worth that much as those 2, maybe a 5th or so, but the story doesn't go as soon as you turn 23/24 in the AHL you're a bust worth nothing. That's not how it works. Using Zykov is a terrible example to choose, it makes your argument worse as he's worth more than Sparks.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

AVs will take him. Varly is likely to injured or moved this season. Grub is the expected future 1G and Pickard will be back where he belongs with the team.

Pickard

For

2019 - 6th round (similar Leafs pick)

What about Francouz

 

[uncleben]

No. The only time a player has to play in the NHL is if they are claimed on waivers after preseason starts. Then they must be given a spot on the team. That prevents teams from grabbing a future player for free & stashing him in the minors.

You're both right for the same reasons (and both wrong for the same reasons).

Whether Pickard is traded or Pickard is claimed, his new team does not have to play him in the NHL. They can immediately assign him to the AHL, however he would need to clear waivers and they would risk losing their newly acquired player.

This, in effect, makes it so that his new team would keep him in the NHL, if they don't want to risk losing him.



"The only time a player has to play in the NHL is if they are claimed on waivers after preseason starts" is the same logic as "Anybody that trades for him would have to play him in the NHL", but there is no actual rule saying either thing.

 

[Flyerfan52]

Why? Because we need a better backup is why. We get 2nd last shot at waived players. Neither Pickard nor Sparks make it to us.

I don't see it as giving up on Comrie. I just see it as replacing him with a better player. He has some value to TML because their goalie prospects are out of waiver exemption.

Brossoit isn't a trade candidate in this case. No reason for TML to want him since he requires waivers. Could just keep Brossoit and waive him when the time comes.

So we could avoid the waiver issue by simply offering a 6th before 1 of the 2 hits waivers. & not all of the 29 teams ahead on the waiver list option have need of a backup they'd have to keep on the roster or lose to waivers themselves.
With only 2 goalies signed for the Moose trading Comrie leaves zero depth in case a goalie goes down on either team.
Jets have replacements on the Moose evertwhere but in net. Adding Pickard or Sparks & sending down Brossoit who is most likely to clear adds a cushion.