LD Olli Juolevi - TPS, Liiga (2016, 5th, VAN)

[Captain Mountain]

D production as well. Valimaki at #10, Jokiharju at #14 just because they can score in junior while Liljegren who had a very solid rookie season in the AHL as an 18 year-old at #42. That just doesn't seem to be right. Even more so considering Valimaki turns 20 on 2nd day of the season.

He uses NHLe and age adjustments in his formula.

Lijegren had a good D+1 year, that doesn't mean he's better than other prospects.

He also admits that the model is very much a work in progress (due to limited access to data).

 

[ijuka]

It's true that the goals matter, they seem to be weighed pretty highly in comparison to assists. And also, if Liljegren had a high portion of his points being secondary assists, I'm sure that's going to be a problem also.

Juolevi himself scored plenty of goals.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

One of the greatest hockey minds in the universe Emmanuel Perry named Olli Juolevi the 5th best prospect in the league pre-2018 draft.

Pretty bad list TBH.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

He also admits that the model is very much a work in progress (due to limited access to data).

Yes it is.

 

[Elias Pettersson]

I'll tell you one thing. Juolevi is not a top 5 prospect

 

[JTmillerForA1stLOL]

I'll tell you one thing. Juolevi is not a top 5 prospect

More like top 5 worst prospects.

 

[M2Beezy]

One of the greatest hockey minds in the universe Emmanuel Perry named Olli Juolevi the 5th best prospect in the league pre-2018 draft.

We should trade Necas IMMEDIATELY then, and since Juolevi is ranked higher, also ask Carolina for a pick

 

[Phil68]

What happened with this highly touted prospect ( Olli Juolevi ). How come he didn't make the cut for the Canucks

 

[Josepho]

What happened with this highly touted prospect ( Olli Juolevi ). How come he didn't make the cut for the Canucks

Partially that we have a log jam of shitty 3rd pairing defencemen and our regime isn't known for their ability to admit their mistakes.
Partially because his only action in the preseason was with Erik Gudbranson.
Partially because he needs to be quicker and more aggresive.

I've said before that a lot of his problems seem very fixable with the right coach and such, but I'm not sure if the Canucks can provide those things for him.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

What happened with this highly touted prospect ( Olli Juolevi ). How come he didn't make the cut for the Canucks

Two reasons:
1. Eight mostly mediocre defensemen signed.
2. Recovering from surgery this summer so was not expected to make it.
I think he’ll be playing in the NHL by the end of the year once he gets back up to speed. He looks like he took some big strides this past year in Finland. He’s never going to be the right pick but he looks like he could develop into a good second pairing guy. Maybe even more.
We will see.
It’s easy to forget that he’s only turned 20 years of age. He was a young draftee.

 

[stampedingviking]

Partially that we have a log jam of ****ty 3rd pairing defencemen and our regime isn't known for their ability to admit their mistakes.
Partially because his only action in the preseason was with Erik Gudbranson.
Partially because he needs to be quicker and more aggresive.

I've said before that a lot of his problems seem very fixable with the right coach and such, but I'm not sure if the Canucks can provide those things for him.

Don't forget he's hardly trained all summer

 

[Broadslayer]

He’s easily one of the most frustrating players and I imagine it would be annoying coaching him.

The thing about him is he’s an awful choice for a rebuilding team because his problem is between the ears.

He’s a big game player and the playoffs are the only time he ever shows up. Which sounds great, but there’s 82 games to play in a season and with parity in the league, every game has to count to even get to the playoffs.

His attitude sucks and he’ll only ever be good on good teams in good situations. His IQ is good (not as good as he thinks it is) and his attention to details are beautiful.

Training this summer wouldn’t have helped because it’s the same issues. Compete level is basura for 90% of games played. Waste of potential for sure.

 

[Dump Itch]

He’s easily one of the most frustrating players and I imagine it would be annoying coaching him.

The thing about him is he’s an awful choice for a rebuilding team because his problem is between the ears.

He’s a big game player and the playoffs are the only time he ever shows up. Which sounds great, but there’s 82 games to play in a season and with parity in the league, every game has to count to even get to the playoffs.

His attitude sucks and he’ll only ever be good on good teams in good situations. His IQ is good (not as good as he thinks it is) and his attention to details are beautiful.

Training this summer wouldn’t have helped because it’s the same issues. Compete level is basura for 90% of games played. Waste of potential for sure.

I'm going to need proof on these 5 things please. With links.

 

[lawrence]

He’s easily one of the most frustrating players and I imagine it would be annoying coaching him.

The thing about him is he’s an awful choice for a rebuilding team because his problem is between the ears.

He’s a big game player and the playoffs are the only time he ever shows up. Which sounds great, but there’s 82 games to play in a season and with parity in the league, every game has to count to even get to the playoffs.

His attitude sucks and he’ll only ever be good on good teams in good situations. His IQ is good (not as good as he thinks it is) and his attention to details are beautiful.

Training this summer wouldn’t have helped because it’s the same issues. Compete level is basura for 90% of games played. Waste of potential for sure.

what the f*** is this newbie talking about. My gosh the smeer campagin never stop around here

 

[WaW]

Surprised at the lack of jokes in this thread after the Canucks banned their players from playing Fortnite on road trips.

 

[Broadslayer]

what the **** is this newbie talking about. My gosh the smeer campagin never stop around here

What exactly does that prove, Lawrence? He looked good in the AHL..and at this point he needs to.

The talent is there without a doubt. When and if the Canucks get good again, he will be a playoff monster.

How’s that a smear campaign? I’d rather have that on my team than a box score hero who folds when it matters.

All I’m saying is that he needs a perfect situation to hit his potential and it depends on too many unknown factors.

Whereas picks like Keller flourish no matter what.....or Mete

It’s a valid non-emotional assessment of the player that is Olli Juolevi

 

[lawrence]

because his problem is between the ears.

this is not a valid assessment.

Also someone above you has asked for some proof. Please respond to him.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

What happened with this highly touted prospect ( Olli Juolevi ). How come he didn't make the cut for the Canucks

His conditioning isn't up to par after missing training time with that surgery. He had some blunders in preseason but also looked like the best puck-moving defenseman on the team at other times.

Give it like 2 months, maybe 2-3, and he'll be up with the Canucks.

 

[Broadslayer]

I'm going to need proof on these 5 things please. With links.

Watch his games. There’s enough London Knight fans on here you can ask as well.

Mind explaining why he was a healthy scratch in a B-Level league earlier this year as well? And lost his pos. as #1 D the year before?

But maybe it’s my fault for holding a 5th overall pick to a higher standard.

 

[BL92]

I hope that he gets into the team as soon as possible. He's not going to live up to the hype, but he's still very young and could turn out to be a good D.

 

[edd1e]

I think it's too early to lose hope for Juolevi. He is still very young.. he very well could become solid 1st pair D in the NHL.

Main thing from what i've seen is that he needs to be more consistent and there's a good reason to believe that will come with age.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

Saw most of Olli's games (pretty much every home game, many road games) in his draft year, at the time I saw him projecting as a really solid 2nd pairing D who can defend well with stick and positioning and a quality puck mover. Never really saw #1 or #2 potential in his game. The way his development has gone, I still think he has a good shot at being a solid 3 or 4 once he puts some things together.

 

[Tryamkin]

I just wanted to contribute to this thread by saying Olli has the worst plus/minus in the AHL so far with -7. Worst on the team by a bit. Utica has a winning record.

 

[GetFocht]

I think he will develop into an Alex Edler type, a reliable 30 point 2 way defenceman. He will likely slot in as 3rd defenceman in a top 4 on the left side, #1 LD will be Quinn Hughes

 

[BL92]

I just wanted to contribute to this thread by saying Olli has the worst plus/minus in the AHL so far with -7. Worst on the team by a bit. Utica has a winning record.

He's so frustrating, god. I honestly don't know if he'll ever make it in the NHL. Luckily Finland has tons of other prospects.