LD Miro Heiskanen (2017, 3rd, DAL) Part II

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LD Miro Heiskanen - IFK Helsinki, Liiga (2017, 3rd, DAL)

Miro Heiskanen at eliteprospects.com

Prospect info
Name Miro Heiskanen
Born 18.7.1999 Espoo Finland.
Height 184cm ( 6'0)
Weight 79kg ( 174 lbs)
Position Defenceman
Shoots Left.

CHL Import Draft Prospects – Part 4 Miro Heiskanen scouting report Miro Heiskanen is a highly mobile,offensive minded defensemen with deceptive two-way capabilities. A smooth skater with above average speed, Miro Heiskanen displays quick feet along with strong change of pass/direction abilities. In possession Heiskanen shows impressive poise and sound decision making. A defender who routinely makes the high percentage plays, Heiskanen is a highly intelligent player with impressive awareness. A defender who transition up ice fluidly, Heiskanen’s biggest strength is his skating. Heiskanen shows an uncanny ability to effortless avoid an aggressive forecheck and move up ice. A strong puck distributor who see’s the ice well, Heiskanen makes a hard and accurate first pass but also shows elite puck carrying capabilities. Heiskanen effortlessly gains entry to the offensive zone in transition and looks to create offense as he enters the zone. In the offensive zone Heiskanen effectively creates shooting and passing lanes and readily gets pucks through from the point. A player who makes smart and calculated pinches, Heiskanen rarely gets caught up ice. In his own zone Heiskanen relies on excellent positioning, strong awareness and impressive stick on puck defensive skills. While Heiskanen lacks any real physicality he doesn’t need to a he’s overly effective without a physical element. Heiskanen needs to bulk up some as he continues to develop.
 

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He is closer to Dahlin than people think. And his offensive skill set was supposed to be his weakness.

From the last thread,

This type of publicity, which has led to virtually every member of the hockey media digging up their take on the teen, puts an extreme microscope on Heiskanen’s rookie season. It’s one thing to get judged as a first-round pick, it’s another to bear the expectations that accompany being considered too good to be moved for a generational talent.

“I don’t think it’s going to matter, he’s not going to care who’s watching, he’s just going to be (the Stars) second-best defender by December and the best one by the end of his second NHL season,” a European-based NHL scout said. “He’s the best prospect in Europe. (Rasmus) Dahlin will be more exciting, but Heiskanen is better overall in my view.”

Stars betting big on Miro Heiskanen, even if it means...
 

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He's a fantastic prospect. By no means should he be 'untouchable' in a deal for Karlsson. but still, fantastic prospect.

Depends on if we are talking about an extended Karlsson or a rental Karlsson.
 

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My only concern is that NHL commentator's will butcher his name, ala; Hisekanen,Heeskanen,Hisekaenen, etc.etc.
Mostly i'm concerned about Jack Edwards, thank god Stars face Bruins only twice this season :) .
 

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My only concern is that NHL commentator's will butcher his name, ala; Hisekanen,Heeskanen,Hisekaenen, etc.etc.
Mostly i'm concerned about Jack Edwards, thank god Stars face Bruins only twice this season :) .

They most often say ''Haiskanen'' when I've been watching. Which, considering what they do to Ylönen, is not that bad.
 
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If you can get Karlsson to accept to sign a deal then yeah...but i would not trade him for a rental.

It would even then be very tough.

Dallas needs to be more than a 1 line team, and with Heiskanen for Karlsson it would be extremely tough to fix that, no assets or money to spent on upgrades in the bottom9.
 

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It would even then be very tough.

Dallas needs to be more than a 1 line team, and with Heiskanen for Karlsson it would be extremely tough to fix that, no assets or money to spent on upgrades in the bottom9.

If you aren't giving up Heiskanen for an extended Karlsson then something is seriously wrong with the way your GM evaluates players. This kid is great but come on now.
 
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BB88

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If you aren't giving up Heiskanen for an extended Karlsson then something is seriously wrong with the way your GM evaluates players. This kid is great but come on now.

Dallas won't match up against elite teams in the league if they are a 1 line team.
They don't have the assets or the money to spent on fixing the weaknessess(if they do Heisk for Karlsson).
Which is the bottom9. They'd be better next season but very very difficult to get the team to the next level after that.

Kling- Heiskanen- Lindell is not the weakness on Dallas, it's the forwards after the 1st line.

Then add that everyone in the league knows Karlsson will either get traded or he walks next summer.
 

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ELCs and RFA rights are very important in a cap world.
Dallas won't match up against elite teams in the league if they are a 1 line team.
They don't have the assets or the money to spent on fixing the weaknessess.
Which is the bottom9.

Kling- Heiskanen- Lindell is not the weakness on Dallas, it's the forwards after the 1st line.

Then add that everyone in the league knows Karlsson will either get traded or he walks next summer.

We are talking about a guy who single-handedly took his team to game seven of the conference finals. Yes, your points are valid, but this is more than just asset management, it's about acquiring a total gamechanging player to your roster. That's a chance you take ten out of ten times.
 

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If you aren't giving up Heiskanen for an extended Karlsson then something is seriously wrong with the way your GM evaluates players. This kid is great but come on now.

You think sens would do a 1 for 1 for extended Karlsson? No, they also want other assets like 1sts 2nds other prospects...

Not to mention Karlsson gets 11m a year, Heiskanen probably starts the next year in the 2nd pair and can only progress further, the kid has franchise D potential, while getting paid 1m for 3 years.

That's why it's not worth it
 

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We are talking about a guy who single-handedly took his team to game seven of the conference finals. Yes, your points are valid, but this is more than just asset management, it's about acquiring a total gamechanging player to your roster. That's a chance you take ten out of ten times.

But how do you make that team a contender in the West?

After Heiskanen there's no elite/high end prospects really, the depth in the bottom9 isn't something you contend with.
So you don't have the money or assets to turn it into a contender.

Heisk should walk into Dallas and be a top4 from game 1 and by the end of season as pointed in the article 2nd best D-man on the roster.
Kling at 4.25M, Lindell at something similar longterm and Heisk on ELC gives Dallas insane amount of money to put on the bottom9 if they want to.

West has 2 of the best teams in the league with one of the best depths in the league playing in the same division.
 
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You think sens would do a 1 for 1 for extended Karlsson? No, they also want other assets like 1sts 2nds other prospects...

Not to mention Karlsson gets 11m a year, Heiskanen probably starts the next year in the 2nd pair and can only progress further, the kid has franchise D potential, while getting paid 1m for 3 years.

That's why it's not worth it

Only on HFBoards some kid with vague franchise D potential is more valuable to a team than a superstar in his prime. Making your roster as good as possible is a priority to every team looking to contend and with this move Dallas becomes an instant cup threat. Just imagine constantly having one of Karlsson/Klingberg on ice.
 

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But how do you make that team a contender in the West?

After Heiskanen there's no elite/high end prospects really, the depth in the bottom9 isn't something you contend with.
So you don't have the money or assets to turn it into a contender.

Heisk should walk into Dallas and be a top4 from game 1 and by the end of season as pointed in the article 2nd best D-man on the roster.
Kling at 4.25M, Lindell at something similar longterm and Heisk on ELC gives Dallas insane amount of money to put on the bottom9 if they want to.

West has 2 of the best teams in the league with one of the best depths in the league playing in the same division.

I mean, if you are more worried about your team's bottom 9 forward depth than your top end talent, good for you I guess.
 

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You think sens would do a 1 for 1 for extended Karlsson? No, they also want other assets like 1sts 2nds other prospects...

Not to mention Karlsson gets 11m a year, Heiskanen probably starts the next year in the 2nd pair and can only progress further, the kid has franchise D potential, while getting paid 1m for 3 years.

That's why it's not worth it

Lol... if you can get a signed EK for a deal centered around Heiskanen (with added pieces) you take that deal and run. And this is coming from a big Heiskanen fan. EK is a superstar and would make Dallas insant cup contenders
 

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ELCs and RFA rights are very important in a cap world.
Correct but if Heiskanen is as good as expected to warrant not trading him for Karlsson then his next contract is going to be 8-10 M anyways so how important are those RFA rights? If you can get an extended Karlsson but Heiskanen is the main price, do it because if Heiskanen is simply good, you've lost the decision. Not trading him for Karlsson requires Heiskanen to be great which reduces the salary cap benefits.
 

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Only on HFBoards some kid with vague franchise D potential is more valuable to a team than a superstar in his prime. Making your roster as good as possible is a priority to every team looking to contend and with this move Dallas becomes an instant cup threat. Just imagine constantly having one of Karlsson/Klingberg on ice.
Only on HFBoards some kid with vague franchise D potential is more valuable to a team than a superstar in his prime. Making your roster as good as possible is a priority to every team looking to contend and with this move Dallas becomes an instant cup threat. Just imagine constantly having one of Karlsson/Klingberg on ice.

Then why wont the Dallas gm do it? if it is SO no brainer? But yeah only in hfboards, whatever your point is with that...

But yeah, let's put all of our money on one basket... Who says Dallas becomes instant cup threat? What if they dont? They still have a mediocre forward crop... and they cant improve that without money or assets.
 

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I mean, if you are more worried about your team's bottom 9 forward depth than your top end talent, good for you I guess.

They have franchise F's and Kling on defense.

That's not stopping them from being a contender once more, it's the quality depth. Nashville/Jets would be too much to handle most likely with that depth.

Heiskanen has shown franchise D-man potential and by all accounts is NHL ready, should be top4 ready.

You don't want to be a 4 man team in cap hell.
 
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