Discussion in 'Fugu's Business of Hockey Forum' started by Rink Rage, Feb 8, 2011.
I wouldn't mind seeing a team in Vegas. They drew really well in the playoffs and have hosted the NHL awards the past few years.
Cool. Bettman will take that over Canada.
there have been various LV attempts to build an arena from different groups over the past few years.
Arena is the first step for any league. One issue many people have is that the locals might not support a NHL/NBA/MLB team well, and tourists cant be counted on to fill 41/81 games.
Another issue is the gambling/betting on games in local casinos, but I think if any league thought the market was good, they'd find a way around any potential problems.
17500 seems a little small for major league aspirations though. The only NBA arena smaller is in sacremento, and i think the prudential center is the smallest NHL one at 176xx.
That looks like a total pipe dream. 1.57 billion all privately financed? OK.
TD Garden NHL capacity- 17,565
Rexall Place- 16k something?
Venue (City) - NHL/NBA capacity
Prudential Center (New Jersey) - 17,625/18,500
Jobing.com Arena (Phoenix) - 17,125/18,300
TD Banknorth Garden (Boston) - 17,565/18,624
HP Pavilion (San Jose) - 17,562/18,549
Bridgestone Arena (Nashville) - 17,113/19,395
The smallest arena in the NHL is Nassau VMC (16,250). Rexall (16,839) is the only other one under 17,000.
There is precedent for an arena of that size, and considering the market (and the extensive competition for entertainment dollars) it's probably pretty reasonable; besides, for a multi-purpose arena, that figure is likely the seating capacity for hockey, which means it'll hold 18k+ for basketball.
I wouldn't be totally opposed to a team in Las Vegas, but I think there are other U.S. markets the NHL should target first, namely Houston and Portland.
Has to be an independent venue, not associated with one of the large hotels with sports book. Do expect all the casinos to have one or more luxury boxes/blocks of tickets so they can entertain their high rollers, if they're interested in that stuff.
It also might be a plug for All Star events (NBA's been there; don't know that NHL would change their plans for NHL-hosting events).
Sure. Lets just wait until you hear the comments from Bettman.
Quebec wants to build an arena, Bettman says "a new building alone does not guarantee a franchise".
Las Vegas wants to build an arena, Bettman will ask " So what do want to name the team! "
It looks to me like it was designed by architects employed up north at Area 51 who used reverse Alien engineering techniques, the buildings themselves capable of interstellar flight. Mass abductions. Only in Vegas. New attraction. Im in.
Las Vegas is a great draw for special events, but not a season. Plus basketball would go there first.
Ray Emery would probably love to play there.
Isn't Bettmans half-brother a big whig in Vegas?
Coincidence the awards show moved there?
Gary Bettmans' Stepbrother is Jeffrey Pollack, who worked in Mktg for Nascar, was then hired by Harrahs Casino's in Vegas as Director of Mktg; then appointed "Commissioner" of the World Series of Poker. He was rumored at one time to be heading for Bud Seligs' job, however, in 2009 he resigned from the WSP and is now "Executive Director" of the Pro Bull Riding Association. He is based out of Vegas & LA. He is credited with much of Nascars TV success; won 2 Emmys for his work with ESPN etc; secured serious money for the broadcast rights to the World Series of Poker.
Unlike the NBA/NFL/NBA, the NHL, though keeping it lower key, doesnt steer away from gaming or Vegas and either still has or (dont know if they still do?) had a sponsorship deal with PokerStars.net, an entry level online gaming service that can lead to serious betting as you work your way through & up the rungs of the ladder. Numerous NHL players used in commercials. Additionally, the NHL moved its annual Awards from Toronto to Vegas a few years ago, the reason being the "celebratory" nature of Vegas as opposed to the staid confines of T.O.. None of the other sports with the exception of Basketball, and even they with reservations, want to be associated with nor closely connected to the gaming industry, however, the NHL has no such compunctions or scruples, and Vegas has long been hungry for major league sports status.
Nevada & Las Vegas had the tar kicked out of it by the housing meltdown & traffic is down. This latest plan is incredible & ambitious beyond imagining, equal to the visions of those who built Sin City in the 50's after the fall of Havana & Cuba. Draw your own conclusions......
Another team in the desert? We already tried that. Hundreds of millions of subsidies later...
Like I said; "draw your own conclusions"....
Can anyone provide the odds of those structures in the linked picture ever being built? I'd say 1:100 and am willing to place a bet down. Looks like the Big O mistake multiplied by three.
in 20 years there won't be any water in las vegas, let alone ice.
On what proof?
Most of the water in use is coming in from the Colorado River. So, if that's the case, will that river be dry? That would be a bigger problem for LA and SoCal as that's were they get a large portion of their water.
There has been some speculation that would happen eventually.
You can already see the drop in water levels:
They're not building an arena and plopping a team in a city that's completely foreclosed. Moving on...
Is there a general reason why the cost is so high when it only took Nationwide Insurance 175M to build Nationwide Arena on a pipe dream to build a privately financed arena that everyone said would never happen?
That's why they have a plan to export water from the 5 Great Lakes down south and out west until they all dry up.
I think the era of 19-20k arenas is coming to an end. Developers are realizing that they can't count on sellout crowds every night, and an ocean of empty seats does nothing to promote a sense that you're someplace special.
Wouldn't it be cheaper to just build desalination plants in California instead?
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