Recalled/Assigned: Lander recalled

[Bryanbryoil]

It can't be that hard to find someone to run around in his own zone without purpose, pass the puck into defencemen's butt cheeks and watch from a afar as our young stars get slashed, hacked and driven hard into the boards.

Sounds good, call the Oilers up get a contract and then tangle with Tootoo the next time that we play Detroit or Boll the next time that we take on Columbus. Maybe Magrattan our next 2 games? You should be good to go 3 bouts with Brian right?

 

[OilerTyler]

That's a helluva idea! Let's take him out of the lineup so that a basement dwelling Flames team will take repeated runs at our skilled guys the next 2 games. As for him not fighting last night, I guess you missed what Krueger had to say? That said I will give you the fact that he handled the puck like a hand grenade last night.

Having Brown in the lineup hasn't stopped our players from being run, that isn't going to change against Calgary.

The idea that sitting a goon on the bench will deter the other team from taking runs at players is an outdated myth.

I'm fine with keeping Brown in the lineup as an energy player though.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

It can't be that hard to find someone to run around in his own zone without purpose, pass the puck into defencemen's butt cheeks and watch from a afar as our young stars get slashed, hacked and driven hard into the boards.

this has happend how many times?

 

[Moose Coleman]

That's a helluva idea! Let's take him out of the lineup so that a basement dwelling Flames team will take repeated runs at our skilled guys the next 2 games.

So just like what happened last night, then.

As for him not fighting last night, I guess you missed what Krueger had to say?

What'd he say?

That said I will give you the fact that he handled the puck like a hand grenade last night

Last night and every night. Brown isn't going to scare anyone. He's not going to take shots at the other team's good players. If he fights, it'll be some other fourth line scrub just like him. He's basically Ben Eager without the concussion issues.

 

[McPuritania]

Having Brown in the lineup hasn't stopped our players from being run, that isn't going to change against Calgary.

The idea that sitting a goon on the bench will deter the other team from taking runs at players is an outdated myth.

I'm fine with keeping Brown in the lineup as an energy player though.

It might not stop it, but at least we have someone who can address it. It's tougher to run a guy when you know you might have to step up rather than knowing there is no chance you'll have to answer the bell.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Having Brown in the lineup hasn't stopped our players from being run, that isn't going to change against Calgary.

The idea that sitting a goon on the bench will deter the other team from taking runs at players is an outdated myth.

I'm fine with keeping Brown in the lineup as an energy player though.

The problem is that Brown is 1 player, he could've taken on Sestito or Bieksa and we still would've had clowns like Edler, Burrows, an Lapierre running our guys, we need at least 3-4 players like Brown (but hopefully better hockey players/not necessarily as good of fighters) to really make a difference. Why? Because if Brown doesn't play against Bieksa then of the other guys will.

So just like what happened last night, then.



What'd he say?



Last night and every night. Brown isn't going to scare anyone. He's not going to take shots at the other team's good players. If he fights, it'll be some other fourth line scrub just like him. He's basically Ben Eager without the concussion issues.

Take the time and listen to it yourself, I'm not wasting my time educating you.

Short memory of him hurting RNH last year I see.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

It might not stop it, but at least we have someone who can address it. It's tougher to run a guy when you know you might have to step up rather than knowing there is no chance you'll have to answer the bell.

The problem is that when we acquired him it appears that the coaching staff is fine with him being the only one of his kind on the club. You need to have a number of these kinds of players ie. Columbus, Boston, Toronto, etc. to be effective. Say Brown took on Bieksa and kicked his ass and got 2, 5, and 10. Who would've answered to the rest of the Canucks pests had they started getting uppity? Instead we have guys like Smyth, Petrell, and Jones in these roster spots.

 

[plikestechno]

Unless he starts leaking goals Brown isn't coming out. The team loves him and he'll go with anybody. Definitely need him in for the Calgary games and the next Vancouver one.

 

[NAF]

The problem is that when we acquired him it appears that the coaching staff is fine with him being the only one of his kind on the club. You need to have a number of these kinds of players ie. Columbus, Boston, Toronto, etc. to be effective. Say Brown took on Bieksa and kicked his ass and got 2, 5, and 10. Who would've answered to the rest of the Canucks pests had they started getting uppity? Instead we have guys like Smyth, Petrell, and Jones in these roster spots.

We should have nine guys like Brown sitting on the bench to watch our top line get hacked, cross checked and run at. That'll put a stop to that!

My favourite Brown moment so far is when Hall described him as a "little guy" in an interview. Even his own teammates know he's not going to intimidate anyone. There is literally not a single tough guy in the league who would back down from him.

But whatevs. It's fun to watch him run around out there. 'A' for effort!

 

[AlanHUK]

Since this thread has moved onto Brown, does anyone know what he said to get his 10 minute misconduct?

 

[McPuritania]

I get the feeling no tough guy will ever be good enough for some people.

 

[ales83fan]

Since this thread has moved onto Brown, does anyone know what he said to get his 10 minute misconduct?

he told the ref he has a gun, but that he can't show him it because it was concealed. #theoffice

 

[NAF]

I get the feeling no tough guy will ever be good enough for some people.

I like hockey players on my hockey team. Hockey players who are tough would certainly be great, but getting a guy who's tough and hoping he can also play a little hockey? Nope.

 

[McBooya42]

Oilers have patience but I don't know if Harti does.

He's 23 in a little over a month and I don't know if he wants to keep playing in the AHL indefinitely. Realistically I don't know if he's at the stage that he can legitimately stick on an NHL roster... not enough offense, not enough physicality. He's really not speedy and is not a defensive specialist either... doesn't play on the PK.

What exactly does Harti bring to the table except decent boardwork? He's hard to knock off the puck but has stone hands and really isn't strong in many other areas.

I'm not writing him off as a career AHLer quite yet... but I also get the feeling he wants to either stick on the Oilers roster or explore other options. Maybe I'm wrong but I think he's likely in his last season here as an Oiler.

Stone hands you say?

 

[Mr Forever]

Having Brown in the lineup hasn't stopped our players from being run, that isn't going to change against Calgary.

The idea that sitting a goon on the bench will deter the other team from taking runs at players is an outdated myth.

I'm fine with keeping Brown in the lineup as an energy player though.

I've seen you make this inference three or four times in the past couple of weeks now, with no solution or change mentioned.

We get it, you don't like Brown, you don't like goons. But what's your solution? Our young guys will be ran in Calgary, obviously, whether Brown is in or out of the line up. So what can stop it from happening?

Will Jones' forechecking and skating around doing nothing change it? Will Petrell's penalty killing stop it? At least Brown can and will respond to it. Otherwise, what's your solution?

PS: please don't call me a macho man like you did in the St Louis GDT for asking this question.

 

[Oiltankjob Fail]

Stone hands you say?

Wow that might be goal of the year in hockey period.

 

[JetsOilersfan]

Well, couple of things to address here.

#1 - trade - yes, we will definitely try to make a trade to make room in our forwards, but Ryan Jones should not be it. Why? Cause - what would we get for him? A seventh round pick? Yeah, there you go, lets add by subtraction, then a couple of wingers get hurt, we miss the playoffs by a few points, and everyone is griping about how we 'gave' away Jones who may have filled in nicely had he still been here. The trade, boys and girls - is HEMSKY. We have Yakupov, Eberle, and Hemsky as our top 3 RW's. Only problem here is all three are #1 or #2 RW's, not #3 or #4, and we do need toughness (read point #2 for more there) and to get you gotta give. The #1 place we actually have depth on this this team is RW's, and Hemsky is playing good hockey, is 5 mil a year (decent for his talent) and is signed to next season. So, he would get the most return.

#2 - Brown - For crisssakes people- he was brought here to be an energy guy, to fight when we needed a fight, and he's more physical than Eager. I agree that we need more Browns, and better players. I'd rather have three or four players of size, who can play the game, and are mean sob's that take cheap shots and are just plain nasty to play against. But don't kid yourselves. Sometimes I wonder if some of you so called hockey fans can see past the team you cheer for. Folks - this is PRO HOCKEY - and players are paid for certain tasks, and if they don't do them, they can kiss their millions goodbye and watch someone else do it. For you Brown haters, you really think if we get three or four more of them that all of a sudden like players from other teams are going to say "Oh no, we're playing the OIlers tonight and they have Brown, X, Y, and Z on their roster - better not go after their good players then".

Wow, just WOWOWOWOWOW - if you really think that. To paraphrase from "The Rock" - "It doesn't matter WHO we have, our star players will get hit, just like all the rest do (or do you guys stop watching hockey when the Oilers are eliminated from the playoffs.

We have to get tougher, and more skilled in tough positions, but RNH , Eberle, and Yaks had better buck up cause if they want to earn a (very lucrative) living they're going to have to learn to suck up those hits cause as long as they are the stars here, they're going to be targets, regardless of who we have (Semenko days are long gone folks)

 

[OilerTyler]

I've seen you make this inference three or four times in the past couple of weeks now, with no solution or change mentioned.

We get it, you don't like Brown, you don't like goons. But what's your solution? Our young guys will be ran in Calgary, obviously, whether Brown is in or out of the line up. So what can stop it from happening?

Will Jones' forechecking and skating around doing nothing change it? Will Petrell's penalty killing stop it? At least Brown can and will respond to it. Otherwise, what's your solution?

PS: please don't call me a macho man like you did in the St Louis GDT for asking this question.

I've answered this question in the past. The best way to stop teams from taking liberties on our players is to play a tough, physical game ourselves. That will wear them down and scare them off more than any goon on goon fight ever will. I also believe that having a strong power play will help deter players from throwing questionable hits. That doesn't seem to be the case this year though.

I believe I was referring to the people who said "Go watch curling/figure skating" as the macho men because they got super defensive when I said something slightly critical about a fight and responded as such instead of actually contributing to the conversation.

 

[JetsOilersfan]

I've answered this question in the past. The best way to stop teams from taking liberties on our players is to play a tough, physical game ourselves. That will wear them down and scare them off more than any goon on goon fight. I also believe that having a strong power play will help deter players from throwing questionable hits.

I believe I was referring to the people who said "Go watch curling/figure skating" as the macho men because they got super defensive when I said something slightly critical about a fight and responded as such instead of actually contributing to the conversation.

You know OT - you should really watch a playoff game or two, then get back to me on how having a 'couple of tough guys who can play' really 'deters' the other team. I agree you need them, the more the better, but read my post above yours - point 2- and tell me I'm wrong. Or do you not watch other teams play?

 

[ales83fan]

Well, couple of things to address here.

#1 - trade - yes, we will definitely try to make a trade to make room in our forwards, but Ryan Jones should not be it. Why? Cause - what would we get for him? A seventh round pick? Yeah, there you go, lets add by subtraction, then a couple of wingers get hurt, we miss the playoffs by a few points, and everyone is griping about how we 'gave' away Jones who may have filled in nicely had he still been here. The trade, boys and girls - is HEMSKY. We have Yakupov, Eberle, and Hemsky as our top 3 RW's. Only problem here is all three are #1 or #2 RW's, not #3 or #4, and we do need toughness (read point #2 for more there) and to get you gotta give. The #1 place we actually have depth on this this team is RW's, and Hemsky is playing good hockey, is 5 mil a year (decent for his talent) and is signed to next season. So, he would get the most return.

#2 - Brown - For crisssakes people- he was brought here to be an energy guy, to fight when we needed a fight, and he's more physical than Eager. I agree that we need more Browns, and better players. I'd rather have three or four players of size, who can play the game, and are mean sob's that take cheap shots and are just plain nasty to play against. But don't kid yourselves. Sometimes I wonder if some of you so called hockey fans can see past the team you cheer for. Folks - this is PRO HOCKEY - and players are paid for certain tasks, and if they don't do them, they can kiss their millions goodbye and watch someone else do it. For you Brown haters, you really think if we get three or four more of them that all of a sudden like players from other teams are going to say "Oh no, we're playing the OIlers tonight and they have Brown, X, Y, and Z on their roster - better not go after their good players then".

Wow, just WOWOWOWOWOW - if you really think that. To paraphrase from "The Rock" - "It doesn't matter WHO we have, our star players will get hit, just like all the rest do (or do you guys stop watching hockey when the Oilers are eliminated from the playoffs.

We have to get tougher, and more skilled in tough positions, but RNH , Eberle, and Yaks had better buck up cause if they want to earn a (very lucrative) living they're going to have to learn to suck up those hits cause as long as they are the stars here, they're going to be targets, regardless of who we have (Semenko days are long gone folks)

up until yakupov is getting paid like a 1 or 2, there is no need to move hemsky.

Plus I'm not sure Yak can do what Hemmer does at this point. He will and more with time, but not yet.

It's moves like this that will keep us as perennial bottom feeders.

 

[OilerTyler]

You know OT - you should really watch a playoff game or two, then get back to me on how having a 'couple of tough guys who can play' really 'deters' the other team. I agree you need them, the more the better, but read my post above yours - point 2- and tell me I'm wrong. Or do you not watch other teams play?

I watch plenty of playoff games, and watch lots of non-Oilers regular season games as well. The teams that play a tougher style of hockey (St Louis, Boston, Los Angeles, San Jose etc.) have less liberties taken against them then teams who don't (Chicago, Vancouver).

I'm not sure where I said adding a couple of tough guys who can play will deter the other team. I'm saying that the entire team needs to play more physical. If the majority of the players on the team throw an extra hit per game or push back a little harder when they are pushed themselves, they will be doing a lot more to protect themselves then any goon can do for them.

 

[stoff]

Oilers have patience but I don't know if Harti does.

He's 23 in a little over a month and I don't know if he wants to keep playing in the AHL indefinitely. Realistically I don't know if he's at the stage that he can legitimately stick on an NHL roster... not enough offense, not enough physicality. He's really not speedy and is not a defensive specialist either... doesn't play on the PK.

What exactly does Harti bring to the table except decent boardwork? He's hard to knock off the puck but has stone hands and really isn't strong in many other areas.

I'm not writing him off as a career AHLer quite yet... but I also get the feeling he wants to either stick on the Oilers roster or explore other options. Maybe I'm wrong but I think he's likely in his last season here as an Oiler.

There was an interview 6 months ago I think(forgot with who but lowtide ha it on his site) where harti said if he's not in the nhl next year he will go back to Europe. Which is understandable from his perspective but kinda sucks for us.

 

[Chooch]

Why?

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

up until yakupov is getting paid like a 1 or 2, there is no need to move hemsky.

Plus I'm not sure Yak can do what Hemmer does at this point. He will and more with time, but not yet.

It's moves like this that will keep us as perennial bottom feeders.

With cap restraints I doubt there is much room for him until Yaks contract year.

 

[Blacktape]

Oilers have patience but I don't know if Harti does.

He's 23 in a little over a month and I don't know if he wants to keep playing in the AHL indefinitely. Realistically I don't know if he's at the stage that he can legitimately stick on an NHL roster... not enough offense, not enough physicality. He's really not speedy and is not a defensive specialist either... doesn't play on the PK.

What exactly does Harti bring to the table except decent boardwork? He's hard to knock off the puck but has stone hands and really isn't strong in many other areas.

I'm not writing him off as a career AHLer quite yet... but I also get the feeling he wants to either stick on the Oilers roster or explore other options. Maybe I'm wrong but I think he's likely in his last season here as an Oiler.

agree with most of the comments but from what i've watched of him, he actually has pretty decent shot.