Lamoriello/Trotz vs Dubas/Babcock

[The Winter Soldier]

Idea sparked by the Trotz vs Babcock poll.

Which GM/Coach tandem is better?

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[TheDoldrums]

How are you proposing we judge Dubas as GM?

 

[The Winter Soldier]

You judge the tandem on the information available.

 

[LordNeverLose]

Voted for Isles tandem just because I have no idea how Dubas will be. I do prefer Babcock over Trotz though.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

You judge the tandem on the information available.

He has been the GM for like 2 weeks and Lou has been GM since Dubas was in Elementary. If you think experience is that important that is literally the only thing to go off of because Dubas has....signed Connor Carrick to a deal.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I thought Lou was a pretty mediocre GM for the Leafs, but we obviously have no idea how Dubas will be. He could easily be better or worse. I assume he will be better, but there's not really evidence of that. Babcock vs Trotz is another toss-up

 

[TheDoldrums]

You judge the tandem on the information available.

Okay.

Babcock and Trotz were both on the free market. Babcock had multiple offers of $8 million. Trotz got $4 million. Seems like the market values Babcock more.

Brendan Shanahan had both Lou and Dubas in his organization. He valued Dubas more.

I'll go with the Leafs tandem.

 

[Kelly]

Well Shanahan thought Dubas was the better manager since he let Lou go and promoted Dubas, and Shanahan has been near perfect since being hired. I have no reason to doubt his judgement.

Also I would argue Babcock is the better coach than Trotz, though close. But he's the one getting the HC coaching gigs in international play, some will argue Trotz won a cup, but did it with a more seasoned and better Capitals club. Also Babcock has cups under his resume too.

@The Winter Soldier I'm assuming your taking the Isles duo -- can you tell me why since you were pretty adamant about how Lou was past his prime when the Leafs hired him -- what impressed you so much with his work with the Leafs since he's now the greatest thing since slice bread?

 

[hamzarocks]

Who knows. Well see based on there offseason decisions and next years results.

 

[WilliamNylander]

Dubas is easily the most valuable piece in the poll so I voted Leafs here

 

[Skolman]

Dubas is easily the most valuable piece in the poll so I voted Leafs here

You being serious?

 

[WilliamNylander]

You being serious?

Yes. Do some research and come back.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Dubas and Babcock because with Babcock's resume he should win this no matter what.

 

[Skolman]

Yes. Do some research and come back.

You do some research, you're the one making the claims.

Please, educate everyone when it comes to how successful Dubas has been in the NHL

 

[LeafsNation75]

Well Shanahan thought Dubas was the better manager since he let Lou go and promoted Dubas, and Shanahan has been near perfect since being hired. I have no reason to doubt his judgement.

Also I would argue Babcock is the better coach than Trotz, though close. But he's the one getting the HC coaching gigs in international play, some will argue Trotz won a cup, but did it with a more seasoned and better Capitals club. Also Babcock has cups under his resume too.

@The Winter Soldier I'm assuming your taking the Isles duo -- can you tell me why since you were pretty adamant about how Lou was past his prime when the Leafs hired him -- what impressed you so much with his work with the Leafs since he's now the greatest thing since slice bread?

I know you mentioned Babcock's international resume but some people forget besides him being coaching Canada's back to back Olympic Gold Medal teams, he's the only NHL head coach who has won a World Hockey Championship and a World Junior Hockey Championship.

 

[Echo Roku]

Leafs fans never overhype their guys. Ever.

 

[blood gin]

I thought Lou was a pretty mediocre GM for the Leafs, but we obviously have no idea how Dubas will be. He could easily be better or worse. I assume he will be better, but there's not really evidence of that. Babcock vs Trotz is another toss-up

And he was downright bad his last few years with us. Granted he had to deal with a deadbeat owner but his and Conte's drafting record took a sharp decline

 

[LeafsNation75]

I thought Lou was a pretty mediocre GM for the Leafs, but we obviously have no idea how Dubas will be. He could easily be better or worse. I assume he will be better, but there's not really evidence of that. Babcock vs Trotz is another toss-up

You should know that whenever anyone Leafs the Maple Leafs organization they automatically become a lot better. Look at everything he said about Mark Hunter when he quit.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Dubas and Babcock because with Babcock's resume he should win this no matter what.

Babcock's resume is he has not won a playoff rd since 2012-2013. This despite coaching very good Red Wing teams. Are you sure about this? Everyone in this poll has some baggage. This is why it is a good poll. I would hope people would vote with their heads and not by the colour of a jersey as I notice by the early results.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Babcock's resume is he has not won a playoff rd since 2012-2013. This despite coaching very good Red Wing teams.

The Red Wings were very good after 2013?

 

[LeafsNation75]

Babcock's resume is he has not won a playoff rd since 2012-2013. This despite coaching very good Red Wing teams. Are you sure about this? Everyone in this poll has some baggage. This is why it is a good poll. I would hope people would vote with their heads and not by the colour of a jersey as I notice by the early results.

So besides Toronto why did Buffalo, San Jose, St. Louis and Philadelphia until they hired Hakstol all have interest in Babcock? That's not including Detroit who wanted to keep him. If more teams besides the Islanders were looking for a head coach today, how do you know Trotz even picks the Islanders? So those other teams who wanted Babcock did not care about him not winning a playoff series since 2013.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

The Red Wings were very good after 2013?

Well if you want to ask that, why are you ignoring since 2005? Would you not expect more than 1 cup by a coach as highly regarded as Babcock with how many hall of fame players that played on those Red Wing teams? 1 Cup in 15 years of coaching. Again not saying he is bad, a tad overrated for being the highest paid coach by a good margin and in the media. yes. Leafs still have not won a playoff rd in 15 years the last 2 under Babcock, right?

 

[LeafsNation75]

Okay.

Babcock and Trotz were both on the free market. Babcock had multiple offers of $8 million. Trotz got $4 million. Seems like the market values Babcock more.

Brendan Shanahan had both Lou and Dubas in his organization. He valued Dubas more.

I'll go with the Leafs tandem.

Multiple teams besides Toronto wanted Babcock, Trotz option was to accept the Islanders job or wait for something else.

Let's not forget the Coyotes wanted to interview Dubas for their GM job before they hired John Chayka, however said he was not ready to become a GM at that time. Plus the Avalanche wanted Dubas for some high level executive job. I also think Dubas name was brought up for the GM jobs in Buffalo and Carolina when they were both vacant.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Well if you want to ask that, why are you ignoring since 2005? Would you not expect more than 1 cup by a coach as highly regarded as Babcock with how many hall of fame players that played on those Red Wing teams? 1 Cup in 15 years of coaching. Again not saying he is bad, a tad overrated for being the highest paid coach by a good margin and in the media. yes. Leafs still have not won a playoff rd in 15 years the last 2 under Babcock, right?

Why? Maybe it's because you claimed that he hasn't won a round since 2013 despite coaching "very good Red Wing teams". That's why he's focusing on Wings teams since 2013

 

[TheDoldrums]

Well if you want to ask that, why are you ignoring since 2005? Would you not expect more than 1 cup by a coach as highly regarded as Babcock with how many hall of fame players that played on those Red Wing teams? 1 Cup in 15 years of coaching. Again not saying he is bad, a tad overrated for being the highest paid coach by a good margin and in the media. yes. Leafs still have not won a playoff rd in 15 years the last 2 under Babcock, right?

I'm not ignoring anything, I just responded to your own words. That's why I quoted them. You criticized him for not winning a series since 2013 despite being with a very good Red Wings team, but they weren't very good at that point.

Yes, the Leafs haven't won a series the last two years. They were also playing better teams without home ice advantage.