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Speculation: Laine to the Habs via Trade
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Montreal would be better off trading for a center or left shooting dman. Laine could help their powerplay a lot, but they probably want more in a player considering what they'd need to give up
780il
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Winnipeg would ask for Kotkaniemi and the Habs would tell them to f*** off...
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I'm not really sure why this thread was started without some NEW info?
Any posts suggesting a trade between Habs / Jets for Laine have already been posted over and over again re: the alternative to an offer sheet.
The reality is that the trade would cost MTL so much that it wouldn't be worth it.
If it doesn't then there's no way the Jets should trade Laine.
Pretty simple.
Any posts suggesting a trade between Habs / Jets for Laine have already been posted over and over again re: the alternative to an offer sheet.
The reality is that the trade would cost MTL so much that it wouldn't be worth it.
If it doesn't then there's no way the Jets should trade Laine.
Pretty simple.
TomasHertlsRooster
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Realistically, if Winnipeg trades Laine, they won't be getting a premium asset in return. At this stage of their respective careers, Montreal probably wouldn't even trade Kotkaniemi straight up; let alone use him as a centerpiece in a package.
If Montreal trades for him, I'd expect the offer to be something along the lines of Ryan Poehling, Jeff Petry, and Montreal's 2020 1st (top-3 protected). It doesn't contain a premium asset, but it contains a bonafide top-4 RHD and a center with top-6 potential - two huge needs for Winnipeg - as well as a pick that could become a premium asset down the road.
If Montreal trades for him, I'd expect the offer to be something along the lines of Ryan Poehling, Jeff Petry, and Montreal's 2020 1st (top-3 protected). It doesn't contain a premium asset, but it contains a bonafide top-4 RHD and a center with top-6 potential - two huge needs for Winnipeg - as well as a pick that could become a premium asset down the road.
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Kotkaniemi15
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Kotkaniemi/Domi/Poehling/Suzuki is good centre depth. Montreal could use a pure sniper like Laine.
torniojaws
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I think both the Habs and Laine would benefit from it. It sounds like he's slightly at odds with the top players in Winnipeg, and he's getting wasted in a way by not being in the 1st line. Part of it is that they do have other good 1st line wingers to compete with Laine, whereas Montreal doesn't.
If you want to use a sniper correctly, you need to pair them with top passers that can feed them. I'm sure Laine would have had 10 - 15 more goals last season if he had been played in the 1st line all season. And it's not just that the goal is to get him goals. If you score enough goals, it acts as a demotivator for the opposing team. For example St Louis after Laine scored 5 goals. It's a tough spot to turn around.
If you want to use a sniper correctly, you need to pair them with top passers that can feed them. I'm sure Laine would have had 10 - 15 more goals last season if he had been played in the 1st line all season. And it's not just that the goal is to get him goals. If you score enough goals, it acts as a demotivator for the opposing team. For example St Louis after Laine scored 5 goals. It's a tough spot to turn around.
Kotkaniemi15
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Montreal has plenty of good playmakers (Kotkaniemi, Domi, Drouin) that could feed Laine. Him and Weber on the same PP would be scary.
torniojaws
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Yup. What I meant was that in Montreal, there aren't that many competing wingers for the 1st line spot, if Laine was there. In Winnipeg, there's at least 3 equals (in a way - they do play differently).
Kotkaniemi15
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I love Laine as a player but he would have been the 4th highest winger in terms of points on Montreal last year. He would've been 5th if Shaw had played the full season. That being said, I do think he'll rebound and would love to have on the team.
Yorkshire Leaf
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There are probably good reasons why the coach didn’t play him on the top line, they probably felt that the other aspects of his game in which he is weaker detracted from the top line and would have made them worse overall and the team worse overall. He may have potted a few more (I highly doubt 10-15) goals but others may have scored less and the top line may have been scored on more.
For me Laine is a luxury player and definitely not worth giving up a good roster player, good prospect and a first for, as it would not make you a better team overall. If you have a good team, with a good core locked up on good contracts, added him to put you over the top, but I don’t think you can build around him.
Kaako Kappo
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You're using the points he got last year playing with Winnipeg to see where he would've played on a Montreal Canadiens team. What? No, that's not how it works. Those points don't exist if Laine played with Habs last season.
MattySnipes
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I don't know if you're trolling Jets fans or not but imo, I think Laine holds more value than that. I get that he's still pretty raw and weak defensively, but he's a #2 pick only 21 years old.
Jets wouldn't give him away for Petry (31 years old, 2 years left), Poehling [1 NHL game (albeit a helluva game against Leafs)] and a TOP-3 protected pick.
Laine is still growing and learning the game. #2 overall pick. He's a 6'5" right winger with a dynamic scoring touch and immense offensive awareness. 184 points (110 goals) in 237 games is nothing to scoff at. He also suffered a concussion early in his career courtesy of Jake McCabe.
How can a #2 overall pick with 3 years of NHL experience not fetch a premium asset? But then a top-3 protected pick (4-31) could become that?
Anyway, like others have said, this is pretty much no deal from both sides. Winnipeg would guaranteed ask Kotka+, Habs would hang up because they can't afford to trade a cost-controlled, up and coming top-6 centre. They are already just getting by on C, if that.
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If Drouin + Suzuki + 1st (preferably with some top-3 protection) + young defenseman would be enough, Habs should definitely do it, I think that even if one would have to swap Suzuki for Poehling.
Practically Habs would trade Drouin, Suzuki and young defenseman for their first rounder in 2021 and 2nd and 3rd round picks in 2020 plus 1-3.5 million in cap space (difference between such a trade and Offer Sheet just below four first compensation level compared to signing Laine for similar term (5 years) at 9 to 9.5 million or even to a 6-7 million bridge).
But if that would be sufficient, would there be other teams offering similar package?
Practically Habs would trade Drouin, Suzuki and young defenseman for their first rounder in 2021 and 2nd and 3rd round picks in 2020 plus 1-3.5 million in cap space (difference between such a trade and Offer Sheet just below four first compensation level compared to signing Laine for similar term (5 years) at 9 to 9.5 million or even to a 6-7 million bridge).
But if that would be sufficient, would there be other teams offering similar package?
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Howie Hodge
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As nicely as one can put it, Jets tell you to go pound sand....
As it is always the case with these trades, if it does happen, Laine will fetch much less than what people might be expecting. Something around Drouin + B prospect + 2nd round pick is what I would expect. You do not trade a 21 year old player with 184 points if you think he is on a growth trajectory and just entering his prime. If you trade him, its because you perceive that there are some issues with him and you’re trying to monetize him before his value falls down to much less. The package you will get reflects that, because other GM’s are aware of the same issues.
What is a B prospect from a Habs standpoint: Anyone not named Kotkaniemi, Suzuki, Poehling, Romanov or Caufield. I could see the Habs trading Josh Brook in such a package (B+ prospect)
If Laine is so good he is worth Kotkaniemi + an A prospect + an unprotected first (as an example), then that trades does not happen because its too risky for both teams.
What is a B prospect from a Habs standpoint: Anyone not named Kotkaniemi, Suzuki, Poehling, Romanov or Caufield. I could see the Habs trading Josh Brook in such a package (B+ prospect)
If Laine is so good he is worth Kotkaniemi + an A prospect + an unprotected first (as an example), then that trades does not happen because its too risky for both teams.
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