Speculation: Laine Mega Thread

[tntkid]

Well technically he's actually 9th as Kane and Tavares have the same amount of goals but more points. And after his first 2 seasons in the league Laine was actually 2nd in goals, so the trend is a downward spiral.

Either Winnipeg needs to fire Paul Maurice or Laine needs to get out of Winnipeg, it's as simple as that. A year or two more in Winnipeg with Maurice and Laine's future as an all time great goal scorer will be ruined.

If maurice is still coaching the jets 2 years from now all is lost and the team will likely relocate.

 

[tbcwpg]

If maurice is still coaching the jets 2 years from now all is lost and the team will likely relocate.

Absolutely ridiculous.

 

[snowkiddin]

If maurice is still coaching the jets 2 years from now all is lost and the team will likely relocate.

Seems like a bit of an overreaction. Maurice should’ve been fired after the St. Louis series, but I don’t see him sticking around as “all is lost,” and I really don’t seem the team being relocated.

 

[FinRanger]

If maurice is still coaching the jets 2 years from now all is lost and the team will likely relocate.

Laine was super lucky in his first season. Shooting percentage was through the roof. He has great shot but he is not god. Tbh he was struggling a lot but he was just super effective (lucky). Fact is that he is just not that good hockey player many people here think. For some people it is hard to accept.

 

[Psych0dad]

Laine was super lucky in his first season. Shooting percentage was through the roof. He has great shot but he is not god. Tbh he was struggling a lot but he was just super effective (lucky). Fact is that he is just not that good hockey player many people here think. For some people it is hard to accept.

Luck? Yeah sounds plausible.

 

[FinRanger]

Luck? Yeah sounds plausible.

Yeah luck exists in sports and is very big factor in determining team's/player's success in a season.

 

[Psych0dad]

Yeah luck exists in sports and is very big factor in determining team's/player's success in a season.

Like McDavid bringing his lucky skating every night and Laine bringing his lucky shot in.

Yes, you have cracked the code. They're luckier than others. Has nothing to do with their hard earned abilities, all just down to randomness and how favorable absolute randomness somehow treats chosen ones as if it had a will to decide.

Not into magical things but thx

 

[Tripod]

Like McDavid bringing his lucky skating every night and Laine bringing his lucky shot in.

Yes, you have cracked the code. They're luckier than others. Has nothing to do with their hard earned abilities, all just down to randomness and how favorable absolute randomness somehow treats chosen ones as if it had a will to decide.

Not into magical things but thx

Look at his shooting % the first 2 years vs the next 2. He shot almost 18% the first 2 years....then a bit over 12% the last 2.

Which one do you think is more real?

And before deciding, remember that Ovechkin's career S% is 12.7.....and has never shot over 16% in any season.

 

[Plural]

Laine was super lucky in his first season. Shooting percentage was through the roof. He has great shot but he is not god. Tbh he was struggling a lot but he was just super effective (lucky). Fact is that he is just not that good hockey player many people here think. For some people it is hard to accept.

He had some luck for sure. But he's still among the most gifted scorers in the league. You don't luck out in to 0.45 GPG average for the first 4 seasons of your career.

I see Laine (at the moment) as quite unique player. He's clearly a superbly effective scorer, but he's not that effective outside of scoring. Although, he does have top-line offensive tools all-around. But his bread and butter is his scoring and shot.

Is he a good player? Absolutely, but it all depends on what you compare him on.

 

[Plural]

Look at his shooting % the first 2 years vs the next 2. He shot almost 18% the first 2 years....then a bit over 12% the last 2.

Which one do you think is more real?

And before deciding, remember that Ovechkin's career S% is 12.7.....and has never shot over 16% in any season.

Ovechkin is a volume shooter though. I wouldn't use his % as indicator for other world class shots. I'd more preferably compare Laine's shooting ability as a mixture of Stamkos and Matthews (although Matthews is a volume shooter too). He's not quite as good in getting in to dangerous positions, but he compensates that with heavier shot.

 

[Dache]

Laine was super lucky in his first season. Shooting percentage was through the roof. He has great shot but he is not god. Tbh he was struggling a lot but he was just super effective (lucky). Fact is that he is just not that good hockey player many people here think. For some people it is hard to accept.

Do people on here think that no one will fact check anything? He shot 17.6 his first year and 18.3 the second year.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Do people on here think that no one will fact check anything? He shot 17.6 his first year and 18.3 the second year.

....and he's at 12.2 and 12.4 the last two seasons. Equal representation. Which is the "real" Laine?

 

[heilongjetsfan]

yes, but long term Manitoba has a better future ahead compared to Alberta..

Dunno. Global warming sounds pretty awesome to a Winnipegger until you remember how much of Manitoba would be underwater if sea level rises a bit.

 

[StumpyTown]

....and he's at 12.2 and 12.4 the last two seasons. Equal representation. Which is the "real" Laine?

There is a lot more to these numbers. His 12.2 year he admittedly had a bad back for a good portion of the year. Look at highlights of that season and you can see that he wasn't committing to the shot the same way as in his first two seasons. His 12.4 season the Jets were a tire fire on the power play which is where he can be lethal. Without Buff on the point teams would cheat defensively on him and when the puck did come it was so slow that goaltenders had way too much time to get over and set. He's a finisher. When the pucks coming to him get better and quicker his shooting percentage will go up again.

To me the truth of the matter is that his shooting percentage should probably even out in the middle somewhere around 13.5 to 14.5 long term.

 

[KingBogo]

Dunno. Global warming sounds pretty awesome to a Winnipegger until you remember how much of Manitoba would be underwater if sea level rises a bit.

Winnipeg is at a higher elevation, than just about every major US or Canadian city that has a coastline. The parts of Manitoba that would be flooded if sea level should rise is the high north which is mostly uninhabitable muskeg.

 

[Easternbull]

Some GREAT journalism from sport net's Sean Reynolds on this unfortunate situation:

Are Jets and Laine heading for inevitable split? - Sportsnet.ca

 

[Aurinko]

Laine was super lucky in his first season. Shooting percentage was through the roof. He has great shot but he is not god. Tbh he was struggling a lot but he was just super effective (lucky). Fact is that he is just not that good hockey player many people here think. For some people it is hard to accept.

12%+ shot is a natural scorer and anything above 15% is absolute elite level stuff. Average players won't reach 15% even if they have a hot year.

No matter what u think of his play, Laine has an elite shot.

 

[Dache]

....and he's at 12.2 and 12.4 the last two seasons. Equal representation. Which is the "real" Laine?

I would assume somewhere in the middle, around 15ish. What does this have to do with people making stuff up to make the scenario sound different than it is? That poster made a claim as if it was some crazy outlier season when in reality it’s half of his career.

 

[Stickpucker]

Do people on here think that no one will fact check anything? He shot 17.6 his first year and 18.3 the second year.

He had a magic bean clenched between his cheeks that popped after too much squeezing.

 

[Techcoockie]

Dunno. Global warming sounds pretty awesome to a Winnipegger until you remember how much of Manitoba would be underwater if sea level rises a bit.

Manitoba = Probably the greatest provinces for Legume like Chickpea cultivation ,which already have insane importation and a great future ahead with the rise of vegetarianism
Alberta = Petroleum ... ?

 

[Mulletman]

To me the truth of the matter is that his shooting percentage should probably even out in the middle somewhere around 13.5 to 14.5 long term.

With a career shooting % as bad as that, Winnipeg is better off trading Laine as soon as possible. With Scheifele shooting at 15.9 % and Rantanen shooting at 16.0 % , anything lower than 16.5 % for Laine will be unacceptable in the long run.

 

[Jeti]

Look at his shooting % the first 2 years vs the next 2. He shot almost 18% the first 2 years....then a bit over 12% the last 2.

Which one do you think is more real?

And before deciding, remember that Ovechkin's career S% is 12.7.....and has never shot over 16% in any season.

His shot visibly changed after he hurt his back. His shot was definitely god-like in his first two seasons. It wasn't luck.

Another thing people misunderstand about Laine is that he aims for the corners more than any other player, so he also misses the net relatively more. Shot attempts that miss the net don't count as shots, so his shooting percentage was artificially inflated by that. I'm not sure if this is tracked anywhere though.

 

[Zub]

Laine was super lucky in his first season. Shooting percentage was through the roof. He has great shot but he is not god. Tbh he was struggling a lot but he was just super effective (lucky). Fact is that he is just not that good hockey player many people here think. For some people it is hard to accept.

Yikes

 

[KingBogo]

Some GREAT journalism from sport net's Sean Reynolds on this unfortunate situation:

Are Jets and Laine heading for inevitable split? - Sportsnet.ca

Your bar is pretty low if you consider a puff popularity piece on Sportsnet as great journalism. Agreed Laine is popular with kids in Winnipeg, but the piece doesn't even attempt to take even the briefest glimpse at anything other than popularity and hurt feelings. While I'm a Jets fan and want all the best for Laine, the truth is Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler as a line is much better than Connor-Scheifele-Laine is. Even just glancing at basic underlying numbers:

Connor/Scheifele/Wheeler 53.76 CF%, 57.14 GF%, 47.98 xGF%
Connor/Scheifele/Laine 47.00 CF%, 48.39 GF%, 43.45 xGF%

Scheifele is a cycler who is great at gaining possession in board battles with an extremely quick stick and great body positioning. Wheeler and Connor are able to support that and Connor excels with in tight scoring chances generated off the cycle. Laine is a bad possession player, and generates scoring off the rush and on the PP. In all honesty he is not a good fit with Scheifele at this point and Scheifele as a ultimate hockey nerd knows this thus his preference for wingers he works better with.

 

[Fatass]

Your bar is pretty low if you consider a puff popularity piece on Sportsnet as great journalism. Agreed Laine is popular with kids in Winnipeg, but the piece doesn't even attempt to take even the briefest glimpse at anything other than popularity and hurt feelings. While I'm a Jets fan and want all the best for Laine, the truth is Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler as a line is much better than Connor-Scheifele-Laine is. Even just glancing at basic underlying numbers:

Connor/Scheifele/Wheeler 53.76 CF%, 57.14 GF%, 47.98 xGF%
Connor/Scheifele/Laine 47.00 CF%, 48.39 GF%, 43.45 xGF%

Scheifele is a cycler who is great at gaining possession in board battles with an extremely quick stick and great body positioning. Wheeler and Connor are able to support that and Connor excels with in tight scoring chances generated off the cycle. Laine is a bad possession player, and generates scoring off the rush and on the PP. In all honesty he is not a good fit with Scheifele at this point and Scheifele as a ultimate hockey nerd knows this thus his preference for wingers he works better with.

Jets have Stastny back, so I’m expecting Laine to get to 40 plus on his wing.